[crAzerk]

@Frogmite In the replay which I stated, it's obvious he is hacking, with his multiple glances into the Fog of War at his opponent's base. I don't know about other replays, but I assume one time maphack is sufficient to say that he is a maphacker?

EDIT: Lolol how much does maphack tell you? Does it show Production tab too? 5:50 when he moves his Probe blindly in to cannon the Zerg player, he then realizes lings are about to pop (with no vision whatsoever) and cancels his Pylon and tries to run away.

Later, when the Zerg player starts production of 9 Roaches, he responds with a Stargate - it shouldn't be a normal build order since he's only one 2 gas.
7:30 - adds additional cannons with no scouting whatsoever, in preparation for the Roach/Ling allin.

Pretty conclusive just based on this replay, if he protests or anyone protests it's insufficient evidence I'll have a look at others too.

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Nemo:

Props for making precise inquiries

[ChaynesOre]

Originally Posted by Frogmite

Could someone have a closer look to Craftking replays please?

He's playing in our TCP team for SEACL and i would like to be sure he's not guilty of hacking.
He's a new player to the clan so i can't vouch for him.

If we can't find enough proofs i'll let him play and hope that everybody will not accuse him of cheating.

If it's confirmed he is hacking, i'll ban him from the clan and the SEACL.

Actually, just looked this up for you. It isn't the same guy as in your team (unless that's a second account). The guy I played is "CraftKing" not "CraftKings". I tried adding "CraftKing" and the character code specified in the team roster and it didn't work, but added your guy with an "s" and it did. He plays protoss too and has many more games so either it's a second account or he's just unlucky enough to have a very similar name to the hacker..

EDIT: He does mention in the after-game chat I had with him that it's not his main account.. Not enough to convict your player though. Probably just keep an eye on him or ask him about it. The hacker had a very "specific" way of chatting so that might be a tell in itself if you have a chat to your guy?

[Rage]

Originally Posted by Zealo

player optiX :

he openned the game by spamming pause then asking me to do the same. said something about that turning on his hacks (may have been joking), i played pretty badly from that point worrying about it anyway. scouted me first in cross positions is about the most damning thing i guess :/

i thought the bunker in his main was a giveaway at the time but he did see the void briefly with the watch tower

put in the maybe category i guess?

having hacks activated by pause spam does seem unlikely

sounds like he was just messing around with you with the pause thing and I nearly always scout cross positions first on a lot of maps.

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ChaynesOre:

Yeh, scouting cross first allows you to determine whether you play a more macro game or not (any other position) very quickly, so that's not entirely damning.

[krycek]

Originally Posted by chaynesore

Actually, just looked this up for you. It isn't the same guy as in your team (unless that's a second account). The guy I played is "CraftKing" not "CraftKings". I tried adding "CraftKing" and the character code specified in the team roster and it didn't work, but added your guy with an "s" and it did. He plays protoss too and has many more games so either it's a second account or he's just unlucky enough to have a very similar name to the hacker..

EDIT: He does mention in the after-game chat I had with him that it's not his main account.. Not enough to convict your player though. Probably just keep an eye on him or ask him about it. The hacker had a very "specific" way of chatting so that might be a tell in itself if you have a chat to your guy?

our member IS CraftKing and we are building evidence on him and it isnt looking good, no details at thuis time but lets say the story is pretty much like yours.

EDIT: here is a match between a friend and him
http://terranimba.com/replay/YxddD5URmD

[AxSGRiM]

Originally Posted by Zealo

player optiX :

he openned the game by spamming pause then asking me to do the same. said something about that turning on his hacks (may have been joking), i played pretty badly from that point worrying about it anyway. scouted me first in cross positions is about the most damning thing i guess :/

i thought the bunker in his main was a giveaway at the time but he did see the void briefly with the watch tower

put in the maybe category i guess?

having hacks activated by pause spam does seem unlikely

I don't think this is at all conclusive. IMO he probably just hates TvP and was making jokes about it with the pause spam, unfortunately I can't see pauses in the replay. Cross position scouting is super normal, I do it myself....

[ChaynesOre]

Originally Posted by TCPkrycek

our member IS CraftKing and we are building evidence on him and it isnt looking good, no details at thuis time but lets say the story is pretty much like yours.

Interesting.. I'm 30s into the replay you posted and it seems like the same blatant business already. If he's the same guy signed up for your team then that's unfortunate Good luck with handling it -- I'd like to think for your team's sake I'm wrong but oh well, if I'm not, it's good to get it sorted early before the competition begins. Still got until tomorrow to replace him I think

EDIT: OMG, it doesn't get any more obvious than when the zerg does the in base hatch and he goes to pull all his probes without seeing it...

[krycek]

Originally Posted by chaynesore

Interesting.. I'm 30s into the replay you posted and it seems like the same blatant business already. If he's the same guy signed up for your team then that's unfortunate Good luck with handling it -- I'd like to think for your team's sake I'm wrong but oh well, if I'm not, it's good to get it sorted early before the competition begins. Still got until tomorrow to replace him I think

hey man seen the entire replay he spots the proxy hatch in his base stares at it for like 4 seconds at the 4 minute mark, then watches chases base and then suddenly goes double starport when he see's the spire and just so happens to put his units in the rigght position when they come. lastly THERE are no OBSERVERS made, and this is a ladder game. BTW i watched in his camera view and everytime he looked at his base i looked too here is the link again

http://terranimba.com/replay/YxddD5URmD

thing is we only recruited him the otherday for the SEACL sigh`

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Frogmite:

you're TCP pride man

[ChaynesOre]

Originally Posted by TCPkrycek

hey man seen the entire replay he spots the proxy hatch in his base stares at it for like 4 seconds at the 4 minute mark, then watches chases base and then suddenly goes double starport when he see's the spire and just so happens to put his units in the rigght position when they come. lastly THERE are no OBSERVERS made, and this was during a friendly match, not ladder so just think if he can do it there not that hard on ladder. BTW i watched in his camera view and everytime he looked at his base i looked too here is the link again

http://terranimba.com/replay/YxddD5URmD

It's hillarious, lol.. He's a very poor player I think. Maybe he'd play better without the overload of information because I get the sense he struggles and spends too much time thinking how to show he's not hacking and changing his mind on his build based on the information, rather than just doing what he does and dealing with it later as a normal player does (he's consistently cancelled a lot of stuff in all replays).

I think it's fairly conclusive at this point. That third replay trumps the two I posted, and I didn't think that would have been possible. If this is indeed your player Frogmite, he should prolly go (though the character code thing still confuses me -- does he have several accounts?)

[syfChase]

Hi, I'm Chase, the player in the replay Krycek posted. I just want to add some evidence, if you cannot be bothered going through the whole replay.
1: By 1:30 he has viewed my base through the Fog Of War 3 Times for no apparent reason
2: At 3:39 He scolls up to view the Proxy Hatchery that was placed only 20 seconds before. He continues to look at it for a total of 5 times until 4:20. He starts to build gateways within his main base and saves chronoboost to deal with it.
3: This should confirm any doubts you have about if he is hacking. at 4:20 he selects about ¾ of his probes and starts to move them up to attack the hatchery [He has not even scouted that it was there with a probe yet]. Before the probes get close enough to sight the Hatch he pulls them back, sending only one to actually scout it before pulling the rest of his probes.
4:Various times looking at my main to see what I have, plus views my natural after I sent my drone down to expand.
5:Blind Counters my Muta play with double stargate, getting Pheonix over Voidrays. (Keep in mind he has not scouted since the initial probe scout) Positions forces perfectly to deal with the harass
6:15:15 Reacts to a small runby attack by looking through the Fog of War.
7:Looks at my third through Fog of War when it has not been scouted and checks my Army composition

There may be some other little things, but these are the ones I noticed. It was a ladder game too, I feel for others that may have fallen for these cheap tricks
Edit: I did not know he was actually hacking at the time. I thought he just had an Observer on me, but scouting my base with an Overseer brought up nothing. He did not even have a Robotics Facility. If Krycek did not tell this to me it may have just slid under the radar. Props to him

[Nemo]

Frogmite. Best to make him admit and apologize now. That won't change any sanction because he's more that cornered already, but it would be better so he has a better chance to redeem himself one day.

[crAzerk]

What are the odds, I just faced him on ladder! Lolol didn't even realize it until he typed 'GG' at the end. I beat him in a TvP haha.

I shall just watch the replay again and see if I spot anything suspicious, didn't notice any blatant maphack while I was playing.

3:12 - Glances into the fog without any Probe scout at my exact location, on a 4 player map.

4:15 -makes a good show of using his Probe to scout my FE too, deliberately clicking towards my building instead of running up my ramp.

4:57, 5:22 - Glances into fog at my base

5:00~ - makes a show of moving his Stalker up my ramp and immediately pulling it back down after a few rounds of Bunker fire.

6:08, 6.53 - glances at my base in fog

7:47 - glances into fog , looking at my pack of marauders moving out of my base

9:07 - looks into fog at my impending push

10:30 - gets his Colussus stuck between buildings like a pro

11:08 - glances into fog,
11:40 - builds a cannon at key points to stop drops the second I load up my 2 Medivacs for a drop
12:20 - warps in 3 stalkers at where my Medivacs were headed
12:40 - loses 9 workers because he can't multitask and though his maphack stopped one drop the other drop killed 9 workers

13:09, 15:15 - glances into fog

16:00 reacts uber slowly to a drop to his 3rd and almost loses his nexus at 73 HP !

17:25 - diversion drop at his natural pulls his whole army there, and my real drop hits his 3rd to snipe the nexus

18:00 - glances at fog

(We had a big clash in the middle of the map somewhere here, his army positioning was pretty crap so I won, and continued to rally forward for the win. Terran is really strong.)

22:48 - I MULE-drop him after he doesn't leave even though being half my supply.


22:50 - He GGs and leaves

Replay here

Conclusion:
Pretty obvious maphacking, with the constant looking into Fog. He even tries to 'sell' it that he's not maphacking with his obligatory probe scout and stalker poke.
No observer produced at all, no surprise since he had maphack.
Lesson learnt? How to beat a maphacker - Just play better than him ^^ Oh, and using helps too


~as said before, Craftking added to 'Confirmed Maphacker' list in the OP

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	krycek:	like a pro gj man
	nirvAnA:
	TCPLemminks:	Thanks for confirming this

[ChaynesOre]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

10:30 - gets his Colussus stuck between buildings like a pro

lol ^^

Just curious.. was he under investigation before I posted or nah?

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by chaynesore

lol ^^

Just curious.. was he under investigation before I posted or nah?

I think you were the first to expose him. Big props to you.

[Frogmite]

Ok for the information.

There are two different players:

CraftKing - map hacker
CraftKings - the guy in our roster

We are investigating the possibility that those two guys are the same as we've seen Craftking in our in-game clan channel a bit earlier in the evening.

[ChaynesOre]

Originally Posted by Frogmite

Ok for the information.

There are two different players:

CraftKing - map hacker
CraftKings - the guy in our roster

We are investigating the possibility that those two guys are the same as we've seen Craftking in our in-game clan channel a bit earlier in the evening.

For what it's worth (though I assume not much) I chatted with him tonight and got him to confirm that he is indeed the same person, having two accounts, and a part of your clan, and another (I forget which, but if that info is useful, you know).. I copied the ch at but blizzard truncated teh top half of it but I can link the rest of it if you guys like. It's the same guy.

[Rage]

the guy SlayerSBoxeR has not played since 8th January - perhaps he has finally been banned?

[Flamga]

Originally Posted by Rage

the guy SlayerSBoxeR has not played since 8th January - perhaps he has finally been banned?

What did he do? I have played him a few times on ladder but he sucked hard... Although he also called my build without ever scouting it, and stating the build in chat to me :/

[Rage]

Originally Posted by Flamga

What did he do? I have played him a few times on ladder but he sucked hard... Although he also called my build without ever scouting it, and stating the build in chat to me :/

Listed in OP. Confirmed maphacker + auto-inject mod.

[RicocheT]

Originally Posted by Flamga

What did he do? I have played him a few times on ladder but he sucked hard... Although he also called my build without ever scouting it, and stating the build in chat to me :/

I don't want to sound harsh or whatever, but at least read the thread before replying. Saying 'what did he do?' when it's all listed above you...kind of stupid isn't it?

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	ROOTPetraeus:	You don't want to sound harsh but your calling him stupid...
	FaDeBadger:
	Rage:	last comment doesn't really add anything to your point and is a bit unnecessary

[CHoBo(kice)]

Nah SlayerSBoxer still around, I vsed him took 1 off him