[ROOT`iaguz]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

How can we ensure TLS doesn't **** up more events in the future?.. they are 2 from 2 with **** ups so far.. why do we still have them organising or being involved in events?!?!?

Where does it mention TLS anywhere?

[Sent1nel]

For those that aren't quite sure, TLS largely run the entire EB Expo. They don't pretend to know how to run tournaments which is why they asked ACL and other community groups to help them this year.

To be clear, ACL is running the SC2 tournament. However the tournament itself is branded and officially part of the EB Expo itself - it is not an ACL National or similar tour stop.

[Dox]

Before anyone says anything tomorrow, our suppliers made a mistake with Jaz's hoodie - it says JazBaz. >_< They're arranging an express replacement for him asap.

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	NvJazBas:	hahahaha
	NOM:	he should get a free jazbas bobble head

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Dox

Before anyone says anything tomorrow, our suppliers made a mistake with Jaz's hoodie - it says JazBaz. >_< They're arranging an express replacement for him asap.

I always pronounced it as such. Keep it imo.

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crAzerk:

same

[Nv.GTR]

Barry 'JazBaz' Cho

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TAEdgE:

haha

[ROOT`iaguz]

you have to make it JazBass so yoon never gets confused.

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	crAzerk:	or JazBadass
	NOM:	^^ this

[VB_Blake]

Is there no stream or am I just missing it?

[Dingobloo]

Originally Posted by VB_Bandit

Is there no stream or am I just missing it?

It's just not up yet, they didn't set a start time for the stream, so we'll just have to wait and see.

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VB_Blake:

kk

[iMSystem]

I think Zepph might be casting from the event? Not sure.

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	Maynarde:	Yep, Zepph (and maybe Dox too I think not sure)
	Dingobloo:	She said she was sick in the lead up, and they apparently had some caster issues with soundproofing? not sure.

[inFeZa]

streaaaaaaaaaaaam

[Nv.GTR]

I've been told all games tomorrow will be streamed online

[ETL.Santi]

I loved the stream today. Keep up the good work guys!

[Another]

gogo iaguz : ) fight the evil swarm

[asdfSchnitzel]

Iaguz last foreign hope!

[Norksman]

Fingers crossed for no technical issues today, we'll stream 5/6 games left.

Stream will be on www.twitch.tv/aclprosc2

EDIT: Stream is now live!!

[NemaR]

the tournament was REALLY poorly organised, power kept going out, it was about 4 hours until they played something on screen, players could very easily stream cheat, games kept on disconnecting, I was very dissapoint.

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	nirvAnA:	thanks for the feedback im sure they will look into it
	NOM:	someone call the wahmbulance

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by NemaR

the tournament was REALLY poorly organised, power kept going out, it was about 4 hours until they played something on screen, players could very easily stream cheat, games kept on disconnecting, I was very dissapoint.

Ive gotta say Norksman did a ******* awesome job running the SCII tournament, There were internet issues and power issues (mostly day 1 I believe?) and while its disappointing it pretty much happens at every LAN event in Australia could it have been avoiding? sure with better planning ultimately EB Expo will learn from their mistakes and do a better job next year, players could of stream cheated but I dont think they would have, These 16 players all know and respect each other. Again the Expo organizers will get feedback from the community and do a better job planning the layout of the Gaming Arena next time

Just wanted to say Norksman is a baller and did an amazing job with the resources he had available to him!

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	asdfSchnitzel:	+1 to that! Norksman even did a text cast at one point :D
	nirvAnA:	+1 thanks Norksman!
	ToRSpartaz:	+1 to that, dude you kept it together <3
	NOM:	1+ I'm baking Norksman a fkn epic cake

[JiNxXx]

Originally Posted by NemaR

the tournament was REALLY poorly organised, power kept going out, it was about 4 hours until they played something on screen, players could very easily stream cheat, games kept on disconnecting, I was very dissapoint.

I just have to laugh at comments like this.

you have no idea what it actually takes to run a tournament / event of this size...

to be honest, I really don't have to sit here and type this out, but I will because I want everyone to know exactly what happened and how the team and I solved these issues.

first off, I was pulled in as the entire E-Sports director at the last minute, and I mean 2 days before the event went live. saying that, I did the best I could with the resources that were available to get everything going.

addressing the major issues.

Internet: internet was one of the biggest issues, during bump in on Thursday I was on the phone for a good 3+ hours trying to get net sorted out for the venue, to no avail. (ball was dropped prior to my activation on this project and nobody had organized a net connection).

Friday rolled along and myself and the ACL (Damien and crew) were at the venue at 730am setting up and trying to get things rolling. After 1.5 hours on the phone and running between the event hall and the main offices at Olympic Park I was able to get a net connection set up for the venue. Unfortunately it was only a 5mbit connection as the main 2 100/100's were being used.

We immediately noticed the issue and moved to create a solution. I approached my boss at TLS, yes, the company that you all seem to hate so much, and he immediately and unhesitatingly dropped $1,000 in cash to get a internet solution in place. We were able to send a runner out to purchase additional 4G dongles in order to provide you all with the tournament that you wanted. Eventually we had the internet up and running and everyone was able to play the game.

Power: Again another issue here that needed to be addressed before hand, but again slipped through the net. Power was not set up correctly by the contractors of the venue as they were not made aware during bump-in about the number of devices that we were going to have on the circuit. 20+ Asus computers, 10+ for shootmania and over 40 consoles total. The first power outage was caused by a untagged and untested distribution box for the 3 phase power. Power was restored when someone replaced the faulty distribution box with a 3 phase connector to a 3 port daisy chain thing of utter idiocy.

I was not made aware of this change, if I was, I would of literally taken the person responsible and cut their balls off...

Luckily one of my helpers during the weekend inquired to me about the power scheme we had in place and I told him to check it out. When he showed me the set up we could literally feel the heat radiating off the cables, they were getting that hot! If we had not immediately shut down the power there would of been either; a. a fire from the cables melting / igniting or b. someone / everyone around the 3 phase would of been electrocuted.

It was a OH&S issue that we were not going to ignore and that is why the power was off for so long. We needed to find a solution to the problem in order to make sure that everyone in the venue was safe.

Of course we were able to solve this issue with help from the Olympic Park sparky team and SGL's Casualty who graciously ran back to Epping in order to bring in his own 3 phase distributors so that we could continue the event.

Streaming and 'games' on the main projectors:

All of the streaming was being done through 4G dongles and the reason that we did not have a stream up was because we were using the only 4G stick that we had at the time to provide everyone there with stable internet. Would you all have rather to play with the game stuttering every 5 seconds with a stream going? Or sacrifice the stream for half the day, so that you weren't all sitting there playing an unplayable game because of the lag?

Regarding stream cheating, you're just a moron for even suggesting that. I'm tired and stressed and a lot of what I'm saying here in this post will come across as being quite forward. But I want to make it clear that you suggesting that people would stream cheat implies that you think their all cheaters / exploiters which is just pure disrespectful.

In the end, we were able to get everything running to the best of our abilities. I acknowledge that we could of done things a lot better, but at the same time for the time frame, staff numbers and such that we had, I'm just happy that the tournament went ahead and finished.

My thoughts:

Overall I had a fantastic weekend, it was stressful, full on and tiring, but in the end I feel that the overall Esports Tournaments (not just SC2) went fantastically smooth and everyone enjoyed themselves. Unfortunately the SC2 boys (and girl, looking at you livi) were the guinea pigs. You guys were the first to test the power, the internet and more and of course there are going to be problems. There always are, you are delusional if you think that we can set events like this up and everything will be perfect from the get-go.

Saying that, I was really glad to see everyone enjoying themselves in the later parts of Day 1 and through out Day 2.

Also again a massive shout out is in order for Norksman, he did one hell of a job adming / running the SC2 comp. But an equal one is also due to ACL, with out whom this tournament would not have gone ahead.

If you guys do have any constructive feedback, please feel free to post it here, or if you feel more comfortable emailing it to me, you can reach me at Zee.Kotwal@Gmail.com.

Thanks guys.

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	NOM:	;) should of cooked something on it gurl
	JoFritzMD:	and he's serious when he talks about the ball cutting
	nirvAnA:	thanks for sharing

[Dingobloo]

Originally Posted by JiNxXx

...
Regarding stream cheating, you're just a moron for even suggesting that. I'm tired and stressed and a lot of what I'm saying here in this post will come across as being quite forward. But I want to make it clear that you suggesting that people would stream cheat implies that you think their all cheaters / exploiters which is just pure disrespectful.
...

I hope this is the stress and fatigue talking because this is a troubling response, keeping in mind, I wasn't there, I don't know how difficult or easy it was to see the screen while playing, but I'll just stick to addressing the arguments:

There is a concept in journalism and in many other fields that "The appearance of impropriety is just as bad as actual impropriety". To use an example, conflict of interest: A judge might be relieved from ruling on a case due to conflict of interest, not because they think the judge is a scumbag (they don't, that's why he's a Judge), they do it because the fact that there is any risk of him swaying the outcome in his favor is enough to put the integrity of the hearing into question regardless of if he did it or did not.

I think it's okay if genuinely "it was out of our control" or "we didn't have enough space to ensure it didn't happen" but to write off his concerns by saying that he's accusing everyone of cheating is just untrue. Worse still if it was merely the decision that the exposure of having a big screen playing games was more important than the integrity (either perceived or real) of the tournament then that's that's really unfortunate. Here is Riot talking about a similar issue at their event on the weekend.

Thanks to Norksman for being a very a good admin, and yourself for your efforts and for trying to quickly fix the issues that arose, but there were genuine problems with this event even before the issues of power or internet that made it difficult to do even my pitiful contribution.

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nirvAnA:

very niceee!!

[JiNxXx]

Originally Posted by Dingobloo

I hope this is the stress and fatigue talking because this is a troubling response

Thanks to Norksman for being a very a good admin, and yourself for your efforts and for trying to quickly fix the issues that arose, but there were genuine problems with this event even before the issues of power or internet that made it difficult to do even my pitiful contribution.

oh yeah - it was... still tired as all hell. aha.

regarding second part of quote, I completely agree - there were so many other issues that arose / were around before the event even went live.