[rizE]

Roz sounds like those little annoying kids that you wanted to neck at school

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simon:

an infraction for calling a spade a spade?

[SmirkToT]

I am happy nirvAnA is not online this moment

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by PhoenixToT

I am happy nirvAnA is not online this moment

nirvAnA is always online... what are you talking about?.. :P

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SmirkToT:

PhoenixToT, Baldie, Blitz, cruxSpoon, Cute, DarkRocket, dippa, Dox, EdgE, FenderStrat, frequency, Mattigans, neon, Patt, Reere, Scarecrow, SGquaZa, Skepticism, Spo0k, StitchSPR, TAChadMann, TargA, TAriiChard, Venom, veteris, wTFlamga, xGKingLight, yo

[iM tgun]

[Nemo]

Ahhh, that explains everything and makes Jokes presence not relevant. Thanks for clearing that point Frogmite !

[Snx.FigJig]

In light of recent results, could this be Xerias new sponsor in place of kingston?

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	nGenLight:	shutup dickhead
	Dox:	i actually found this hilarious hahaha

[nGenLight]

We didn't propose BO9, we prefered it. There was no written rule stating whether it was going to be BO9 or BO7, it only stated GSTL All-Kill format, so such could be up to various interpretations. I was under the impression that it was originally planned to be a BO9, for more excitement or whatever, but to accomodate for INfi admins propsed for a BO7 or a BO9 revival after the semifinals, which we didnt prefer for absolute strategic reasonings. IT WAS actually decided it was going to be BO9 before 15th of March. However, upon Roz vocally demonstrating his displeasure on the forums and repeatedly mentioning they could only field 4 or less players, it was later changed to a BO7 afterwards.

I don't know the exact reasoning or whatever behind all the changes and think alot of the drama could be avoided if written rules were stated and Infi were given an actual extent to which they could be accomodated by.

I think Crazerk was the one most involved with this drama, if he could step up and clarify things, that wold be pretty cool too.

EDIT: I believe the last deicison were made by admins because of http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php...ht=SEACC+rules which fits into what Frogmite was saying a few posts above.

My only issue is, if Infi could indeed field 5 players that night, myself and others are going to feel lied to and obviously have a word or two to complain about. This does not cause for a "you sore losers" response. I'm not going to presume anything because I don't pretend to know whats going on in Infi private shcheduling, but I think a clarification in this case wouldn't hurt at all.

Whether it was Bo7 or Bo9 really doesn't effect me personally that much, it was just the fact that alot of ruccus went through when it was initially decided Bo9, things were said that now appear not to be true, and when we question it we get told to not to be sore losers and suck it up, who would appreciate that?

[nGenLight]

Beard you got it wrong here! Ice was da troll here and Rev has done nothing but try to maintain peace lol.

Rev - Peace maker
Ice / Targa - Sitting there having a laugh at their epic fine work
Roz - I don't really know
infiJokes - I WANT TO BE INVOLVED!!!!

[lingsha]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

Beard you got it wrong here! Ice was da troll here and Rev has done nothing but try to maintain peace lol.

Rev - Peace maker
Ice / Targa - Sitting there having a laugh at their epic fine work
Roz - I don't really know
infiJokes - I WANT TO BE INVOLVED!!!!

I got involved because I am laddering T.T but actually no! i don't want to be involved!

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SmirkToT:

you just got represented lol

[ROOT`iaguz]

ice gave me some dota2 keys though, pretty manner after I took a game off him.

[NvPinder]

Is anyone else giggling at the way xGKing are constantly bringing up the Bo9/Bo7 thing (even after an admin completely clears up EVERYTHING and specifically says theres no point discussing that further) when it seems like Infi working towards getting Bo7 for the finals is a piss in the ocean (and a completely understandable one) compared to the atrocity of your team being the sole reason we were denied proper playoffs for the SEACL? Like honestly I love all you guys but it's not just past the point of hypocrisy but well into territory of complete idiocy.

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Snx.FigJig:

[JoFritzMD]

Originally Posted by NvPinder

Is anyone else giggling at the way xGKing are constantly bringing up the Bo9/Bo7 thing (even after an admin completely clears up EVERYTHING and specifically says theres no point discussing that further) when it seems like Infi working towards getting Bo7 for the finals is a piss in the ocean (and a completely understandable one) compared to the atrocity of your team being the sole reason we were denied proper playoffs for the SEACL? Like honestly I love all you guys but it's not just past the point of hypocrisy but well into territory of complete idiocy.

I'm pretty sure they know why Bo7 was chosen over Bo9 (because infi couldn't field enough players) so they're asking why infi had enough players on that night to play a Bo9.

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by JoFritzMD

I'm pretty sure they know why Bo7 was chosen over Bo9 (because infi couldn't field enough players) so they're asking why infi had enough players on that night to play a Bo9.

Nice. 10char

Originally Posted by Frogmite

I believe the majority wanted Bo9, however, if it's not stated in the thread it's not fair to change rules half-way. The exact same thing happened when i wanted to put play-offs after week 4 and xG was the only team to refuse claiming it was not fair for them as the thread was stating no play-offs for all league (fair point once again).

We can change rules/format half-way only if all parties agree, which was clearly not the case for the format final and the play-offs.

So in terms of fairness, the final of SEACC had to be Bo7. I don't want further polemics on that particular point.

[nGenLight]

[14/03/2012 11:20:53 PM] bryan choo -: the default as it is, is a Bo9
[14/03/2012 11:21:12 PM] Freddy Chi: think about it this way
[14/03/2012 11:21:19 PM] bryan choo -: what im thinking of is either

A) Switch it to a BO7
B) Switch it to a BO9 with 1 revival

Note: BOTH teams must agree


Pinder: You weren't there when Roz appeared very angry and showed how displeasure that night when it was decided to be Bo9. Many things were said and myself and others came away with the conclusion that Infi could only field 4 players on the day so we would rather Bo7 then take a 1-0 lead for nothing. It was a huge ruccus that had an overwhelming effect on whether it was going to be Bo9 or Bo7. We lost fair and square to Targa and we aren't bringing it up as some kind of an excuse. The only thing that annoyed me is that it is a legit question that Mafia asked, yet what he got was just "don't be a sore loser".

I don't have any idea what went about SEACL playoffs whatever, but I think you are getting the wrong message that I am trying to send here. Noone is claiming inFi did anything unfair nor do I really give a damn the finals was a Bo7 instead of a Bo9, I just don't fcuking appreciate mafia being treated like that for asking legitimate questions (that still hasn't been answered).

[ROOT`iaguz]

I didn't mind about the bo7 or bo9 argument, but I think that if you're the leader of a team ft TargA and Rev then you don't get to criticise the behaviour of a different team.

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	NvPinder:	you're team leader is benji...
	x5.Revenant:	Obnoxious.

[Spud]

Some egos shattered, other's swelling.

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Dox:

i read this in alan rickman's voice

[nGenLight]

Anyway I'm quite over this and I hope everyone can just relax, and focus on the future. Plz no more sick troll posts to get everyone fired up again.

The only thing I've been doing here is protecting my team from getting kicked while on the ground because the response from the BM directed at us in this thread is no where even close to the backlash Benji got from his Eve/ToT comments.

I understand that many would be saying/thinking: This is Karma, you guys deserve it, or whatever. Benji being an asshole gives no right for anyone else to be an asshole and it's time to stop protecting assholes just because they are being assholes to the team with "THE INFAMOUS BENJI" at its helm. For god sake, read the facts, do ur own deduction, isntead of just "well Xeria has Benji, you deserve it".

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	JoFritzMD:	this is what makes me mad. Everyone is allowed to troll and be dicks except for one or two people.
	Dox:	agreed brudda, <3 the xeria doods

[nirvAnA]

oh yea actually crAzerk whos the head admin hadn't made his decision yet. so i tried to mediate the situation in the hope both teams could reach an agreement by offering that proposal - so it didn't have to come to "it wasnt written down in the rules". as u know that didnt work

frogmite's post sums it up best and the decision crAzerk and the admins finally came to, it was quite a long discussion we had with JoFritZ weighing in too wanting it to be bo7 like the admins did.

[nGenLight]

Just to clarify, we aren't really trying to focus too much on the actual Bo7 and Bo9 stuff, we've accepted the Bo7 and made no issues about it. Despite the constants posts debating the actual intricacies involved - it is just for clarity's sake.

Nirvana's post summarises the BoX issue pretty well, I don't think theres a point in debating further then that.

The real problem we have is the behaviour of someone in particular about it:

Missed Signals from admins, unsure if Bo9 or Bo7.
Xeria prefer Bo9, Infi prefer Bo7.
Admins deicde Bo9.
Roz goes nutcase on the chatbox - saying can only field 4 players.
Admins change to Bo7.
Tim asks why did not want Bo9 if you could field 5 playuers?
Roz tells tim you don't know shit, don't be a sore loser, but doesn't give answer.

First of all, if I were you, i wouldn't be just talking without even knowing the details. Do you really think we'll be scared of you guys if we had the players? Come on now buddy, just take the loss like a man. Don't try to kill the last bit of respect we have for you.

Bolded part is the issue that we really have a problem with.

[Frogmite]

Mafia as much as i respect you, i think you may be a little bit wrong there.
I actually was around in the admin's chat, i just watched the stream, i didn't admin as i was not the admin for this competition .
I was also around in admin's chat when the decision to keep it Bo7 was taken. I won't paste skype chat i am not a big fan of it.

I agree with you that the only person who wanted Bo7 was Roz, as much as the only person who didn't want SEACL play-offs was Benji. However for both case the format we were going to use was written in the competiion thread, so we didn't change the format half-way.

The original thread of SEACC is there: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3414
It clearly states that the format for SEACC is Ro64, Single Elimination GSTL All-Kill, Bo7. There is no special mentions to the final format, so it has to be the same as the rest of the competition.

I don't state that a team prefering Bo7 to Bo9 while they maybe could have the 5th player is good, i just say that their decision to prefer a Bo7 is legit.

As you said i was not in the game at the time of the finals so i won't say anything on what happened in the in-game chat. I just want to state that having finals format Bo7 instead of Bo9 or Bo21 ishouldn't be a source of arguments between the two teams.