[s_todd]

You know, i remember when people played StarCraft because it was fun, not because they wanted there clans to be a "house clan". Like seriously, does being a house clan or not really going to make you a better clan? Its just a game guys, remember that so chill...
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"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen."

[SLCN.CautioN]

Originally Posted by s_todd

Its just a game guys, remember that so chill...

ooooooooooooooo

[s_todd]

Originally Posted by SLCN.CautioN

ooooooooooooooo

Got dem good haha
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"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen."

[FStitanium]

Just something off my mind, house clans do bring the community closer and more interesting. However, i do realised that some of the house clans are inactive for quite some time. Maybe the admins should look into that to consider removing them as house clans and include those newly active clans in.. I think this would be fair for everyone.

Ps: Don't take my word for it, I could be wrong. In the end, everyone just want a better community.

[SLCN.ARze]

Originally Posted by TCPDecas

I dont really know any of the Clans other than NairX and eMp, they both seem to be sizable mature clans from what I have seen of them in the sea scene. I have met some of eMp guys on ladder and afterwards had a great discussion about our game. Good luck for all the clans under consideration.

Allez TCP

Good to hear that Decas

While we may be one of the newer clans around, we definitely have been making a strong effort to be active in the SEA community. The clan officers have actively seeked out clan wars for the team and there has been positive support surrounding them. Many thanks to our leader ttGx for his efforts and has also organized several in house tournaments for the clan.

Hopefully we continue to grow, but we are also cautious about getting too large too fast and will be actively watching out for players that are BM in the clan. Thanks for considering us as a house clan!

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eCKoa`ProzeR:

Yay! Support from other clans! :D

[eCKoa`ProzeR]

Hopefully eMp becomes a house clan

[s_todd]

Originally Posted by eMp.RavensScout

Hopefully eMp becomes a house clan

This would be nice, but with or without house clan privileges i believe we can still make a influence to the SEA community.
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[eCKoa`ProzeR]

Originally Posted by s_todd

This would be nice, but with or without house clan privileges i believe we can still make a influence to the SEA community.
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"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen."

Yeah I know that, but like I think being a house clan will have new people or other people know us faster

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SLCN.ARze:

indeed, not getting house clan wont be a negative for us, but getting it will be a positive in our grown :)

[ToRRedemption]

I've heard several people in ToR say to me that Nairx members were bming ToR members because of some clan war? Im not too sure on the details as to why but all i know is that Nairx doesn't seem as good mannered when you go deeper, on top of this when i suggested going to the leader i was told the leader condones this sort of behavior. Now im not entirely sure if it is really true, but if it is insight you wanted, here it is.

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eCKoa`ProzeR:

eMp FTW! no bm :D haha

[mGGDaedalus]

I also have a useful and relevant opinion.

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ToRRedemption:

you feel as included as i do?

[SLCN.CautioN]

Anyone remember the blog with Xmoon about mgg?

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TCPLemminks:

I thought mGG were nice, but then I took a Zeratuel too the knee

[Cute]

Yeah, take off the wT clan, very inactive

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ROOTPetraeus:

RIP wT

[VB_bayak]

mGG very bm clan haha I mean really yhall have a cookiemonsta .... I would be intimidated as well rofl

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mGGNemesis:

care he reads this and steals all those cookies :P

[syfChase]

Jumping back on topic here.. I've experienced some of the negativity between IXL and mGG as a member of the later, but I do know that Runamok is a very hardworking leader who's really done great things for the community. I remember about 8 months ago chatting to him while we both were waiting for out opponents in a wT weekly and he mentioned that he had great plans for the SEA scene and he has been doing some amazing things, many of which had been funded by himself. Also an entertaining stream to watch

I did have some doubts during the mess that occurred a while ago, but I haven't heard of too much drama since then, and just remember that a few individuals does not represent an entire clan altogether, as we can see from the posts here from other members of The Ninth Legion. In my personal opinion it's unfair that an entire clan can be represented by the actions of a few, but the SEA community is so cliquey and close that things like such unfortunately do stick.
There was some misunderstanding between Lives and the members of the clan who misguidedly attacked nirvAnA about the house clan status of IXL which I can understand their argument not knowing of the previous arrangement but I disagree of the way they presented it.

Concerning NairX
I haven't really experienced any bm or negativity first hand, but in my ladder experiences against their players I often can meet game where my gl hf isn't returned or a gg isn't typed before leaving the game, this obviously barely means anything and is nowhere near trying to discredit them, some players are a pleasure to play with, I'm just adding my experiences to the discussion as they could tie in with other's experiences as well.
But it definitely is wayyy too soon to jump to conclusions on whether they should be a house clan or not, I think leaving the topic for a month or so to see how active they are and further experience their activity is a good idea.

eMp I know are quite active and most of the players are a pleasure to play when I encounter them, they're very friendly and are a very powerful force in the SEA scene. Definitely one to consider!

From what I've heard ToP aren't as serious as those may think, just a bunch of high level guys who practice together, not really structured, I heard from a clan mate that their founder isn't really that dedicated either, but then again I could be wrong

Unsure about the other clans under consideration because I haven't really heard of them!

Also agree in archiving the names of disbanded/inactive clans such as wT and Mineski to reduce clutter and help navigation for new members of the site, why isn't the little FaDe symbol up there anyway? I idolized FaDe alongside nGen when I was a newbie
Also the consideration of Hydying Breed as a House Clan when it's consisting of only 2 members seems a little bit iffy to me, but I'm not one to judge as I'm not completely up to speed with the sc2sea events and tournaments and it's a decision that has been finalized.

Sorry for the massive post.. but hey, the more to contribute the better
My 1 cent! (Too poor to afford to give away 2 cents)

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	SLCN.ARze:	thanks for the support!
	Narse:	*lends a cent and +1*
	nirvAnA:	Need more posts like this discussing the clans under consideration. Thanks!
	Seffy:	Chase #1
	eCKoa`ProzeR:	<3 Chasu

[Malice]

Originally Posted by Chasu

Jumping back on topic here.. I've experienced some of the negativity between IXL and mGG as a member of the later, but I do know that Runamok is a very hardworking leader who's really done great things for the community. I remember about 8 months ago chatting to him while we both were waiting for out opponents in a wT weekly and he mentioned that he had great plans for the SEA scene and he has been doing some amazing things, many of which had been funded by himself. Also an entertaining stream to watch

I did have some doubts during the mess that occurred a while ago, but I haven't heard of too much drama since then, and just remember that a few individuals does not represent an entire clan altogether, as we can see from the posts here from other members of The Ninth Legion. In my personal opinion it's unfair that an entire clan can be represented by the actions of a few, but the SEA community is so cliquey and close that things like such unfortunately do stick.
There was some misunderstanding between Lives and the members of the clan who misguidedly attacked nirvAnA about the house clan status of IXL which I can understand their argument not knowing of the previous arrangement but I disagree of the way they presented it.

I can 100% guaruntee that we were not offered house clan status in January. This was pretty much straight after that issue with mGG and a few of our members, Nirvana was told about it, and even after that he refused to even mention IXL throughout the sc2sea awards at all, despite forming that year, gaining a pretty strong lineup/community of players, and doing extremely well in seacl. This was confirmed by Lives yesterday. It never happened.

As for the negativity between mGG and IXL. It goes both ways. I went to a LAN in Brisbane, and while I played, I was shit talked by one of the people in your clan. I called him out, he denied it, sure, don't believe me because mGG are the good guys, and we're the "omg incredible BM IXL guys". My brother and one of my best mates was in the room at the time of it happening, and I wasn't even given a chance to speak after he denied it, the blog was simply closed. That is what happens with this site, everyone remembers the few IXL guys that poked a bit of fun at some mGG players, but as soon as mGG does it, it's the IXL player making up a bunch of bullshit. The double standards are absolutely ******* ridiculous. If you're going to talk shit, expect to be called out, and at least admit to it. That's how it is, we shouldn't need to sugarcoat everything.

But it's fine. I don't want to be a house clan on this site anymore. It's a waste of time even being recognised when Nirvana isn't even a part of the community anymore. Rather than realizing which clans deserve deserve what, he's off playing around with his travel website....

[Hwangje]

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

I can 100% guaruntee that we were not offered house clan status in January. This was pretty much straight after that issue with mGG and a few of our members, Nirvana was told about it, and even after that he refused to even mention IXL throughout the sc2sea awards at all, despite forming that year, gaining a pretty strong lineup/community of players, and doing extremely well in seacl. This was confirmed by Lives yesterday. It never happened.

As for the negativity between mGG and IXL. It goes both ways. I went to a LAN in Brisbane, and while I played, I was shit talked by one of the people in your clan. I called him out, he denied it, sure, don't believe me because mGG are the good guys, and we're the "omg incredible BM IXL guys". My brother and one of my best mates was in the room at the time of it happening, and I wasn't even given a chance to speak after he denied it, the blog was simply closed. That is what happens with this site, everyone remembers the few IXL guys that poked a bit of fun at some mGG players, but as soon as mGG does it, it's the IXL player making up a bunch of bullshit. The double standards are absolutely ******* ridiculous. If you're going to talk shit, expect to be called out, and at least admit to it. That's how it is, we shouldn't need to sugarcoat everything.

But it's fine. I don't want to be a house clan on this site anymore. It's a waste of time even being recognised when Nirvana isn't even a part of the community anymore. Rather than realizing which clans deserve deserve what, he's off playing around with his travel website....

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[nirvAnA]

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

I can 100% guaruntee that we were not offered house clan status

I can 100% guaruntee that we were not offered

100% guaruntee



This is the default template, take the words in it with a pinch of salt.

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

I can 100% guaruntee that we were not offered house clan status

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Do you realise its the few members like you who continue to give IXL the reputation they do not deserve? The few of you are directly responsible for damaging your clan, even at this point when the rest are trying to adopt a positive attitude and move on, you end up bringing them down. Even at this stage when your own members and various members on the fourm have spoken out about your behaviour and how they feel some have given them this image, you are still in a state of denial.

You guys hurt the image of your clan, the reputation of good members in IXL who do not deserve that label and you ruin Runamok's efforts who many have mentioned is a good leader who works hard for this clan.

And now that you're representing Av you aren't making them look good as well. Imagine if their sponsors look at this page, how would it make them feel? You have to be more responsible for your actions, they do not reflect just you, they reflect the image of your clan and now the image of your team because you represent them. Scaring away sponsors is something bad for the whole scene and not just you or your clan.

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Chasu has set the thread back on course so lets stick to that and spend the rest of this thread discussing the clans up for consideration.

eMp is looking very suitable now.

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VorteX:

Well Nirvana has provided evidence to suggest that IXL was offered house clan Status.

[Malice]

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

I can 100% guaruntee that we were not offered house clan status in January

What happened at the very end of December that made you change your mind? The small issue with about 3 of our members. If not, why were we never mentioned at all in the sc2sea awards that YOU made specifically?

Not once in this thread have I made myself, or IXL look bad, and ESPECIALLY Avant, I don't even know why you would even mention them. I'm arguing our case when at this stage, there is no point anymore. It's wrong to judge a whole clan based on a few members. If I did that, I'd think all of aLt were a bunch of dickheads, but they aren't. Just one person.

This is my last post here.

[sR_Osiris]

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

If I did that, I'd think all of aLt were a bunch of dickheads, but they aren't. Just one person.

you just made IXL seem bitchy....

[nirvAnA]

the point is obviously not the word January, but the claim that you were never offered house clan status. you said it never happened which was just a straight up lie, or statement you did not bother to verify before making and passing off as truth.

Lives said he wanted to set up his own site so he didn't proceed with creating the thread required for being a house clan and he did not message me again after that last interaction. If he was interested I'll assume he would have sent me another message but he seemed excited and content with developing his new site.

You weren't in the sc2sea awards and neither were many clans or people. It is not an indication of any 'vendetta' to you or the people not included. There are not enough awards to go around the whole community and they are not given out every to single person. Awards are meant to recognize the best and in fact IXLSaviour picked up a new rookie of the year nominee which was well deserved. the awards btw went through our moderator group on skype and other admin groups several times before they were finalised.

Just like infractions happen not because there is some weird vendetta but because people have broken forum rules and deserve the infractions. You have to stop justifying things not going your way with some twisted logic and accept them for what they are.

Its sad you have to resort to personally attacking people instead of focusing on addressing the issues at hand. I'm just going to ignore that second last paragraph of yours . Its good that was your last post, lets see if the thread can get back on track now to evaluating potential house clans.