[crAzerk]

Also can there be clear requirements for what admins have to do (eg each week's thread more than two days before the games, full results posting and updated tables, keep track of rosters, start the fist game to avoid counter-advantage

Wanted to ask this too. I would be glad to help but I won't be able to be present on Saturdays to 'run' the matches as I may have work (Yes, I am poor I need to work on Saturdays). I can settle all the other administrative matters though.

What is FA Cup? So can a team join both FA Cup and the Tiers? (If this is obvious and has already been discussed in the preceding page just ignore me)

[nirvAnA]

FA cup is like football. open to every team no matter the division, just that teams are seeded. if your team wins both you basically do "the double" and if you win the "TCL" as well you complete a "treble" lol! its basically SEACL#1 single elimination format and yes your team automatically signs up for both.

[VB_WhiplashJC]

So what was the advantage of the tiers for div 3/4 over the promotion/relegation? Seems like it's just retaining the weaknesses of the old system while putting two extra divisions on top. I thought the original idea was great and it seems like it's been abandoned without any problems being pointed out?

Apologies if I've missed something (I assume it was in you guys' discussion)

I guess the one thing is that some clans might have masters in div 3 - but it's only one game each.

The way it is above actively prevents VB (and other teams in our position of not quite being able to put out a full masters team) from improving.

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

What is FA Cup? So can a team join both FA Cup and the Tiers? (If this is obvious and has already been discussed in the preceding page just ignore me)

i nterpret the FA cup as a seperate (knockout?) competition with no restricitons on the number of teams that can enter and play without league restrictions on their players.


would love to see 2v2 in there (like EG cup) but still awesome regardless. making one of the games 2v2 would reduce the players required by pro teams by 1 (assuming that is a concern of theirs) as would making the 5th game an ace match (even if just for tier one matches, where smurfing is not really a concern)

biggest possible issue i can see is more than 8 clans wanting to play in tier 2 without league restrictions. if that does become an issue could you possibly insert 1 or more tiers between 2 and 3 (based on numbers of signups) then place teams into divisions based on your own judgement?

i assume teams will announce rosters (without knowing other team's roster) to some neutral party just before match starts? (announcing in advance could cause problems with no shows)

could you make a rule that says if someone on a team in the diamond division gets promoted to masters, they become available to join a team in a higher division?

i'm very excited for this (and could only be more excited if 2v2 was included )

[Frogmite]

So what was the advantage of the tiers for div 3/4 over the promotion/relegation? Seems like it's just retaining the weaknesses of the old system while putting two extra divisions on top. I thought the original idea was great and it seems like it's been abandoned without any problems being pointed out?
Apologies if I've missed something (I assume it was in you guys' discussion)
I guess the one thing is that some clans might have masters in div 3 - but it's only one game each.
The way it is above actively prevents VB (and other teams in our position of not quite being able to put out a full masters team) from improving.

Tier 1 and 2 have no league restrictions. So we suppose there will be a high number of teams registering for it. You can align any players, so if you have for example a team with two masters and 5 diamond you can register it into tier 2. Depending on the number of teams in tier 2 we might split it in two groups.

Tier 3 and 4 are for casual gamers, so they are separated from promotions and demotions system.
The original idea will be represented by Tier 1 and 2, where there will be no league restrictions. We still thought that some clans doesn't have enough high ranked players so we want to keep running PDCL and BSGCL. These leagues are not for competitive players, but give them materials to improve to join top tier leagues.

As soon as you have one or two masters in your roster, i suggest to register for Tier 2 divison as your diamonds will improve and get more masters in your team.

The idea i pm'ed to team leader will be implemented to tier 1 and tier 2(that we might split in two). BSGCL and PDCL being here for the more casual teams.

[sRFullstop]

I think Bo7 is better than Bo5 because Bo5 is too short (potentially only 3 games? At most only 5). Bo7 allows for more players to join, and each match will be longer. We are currently using Bo7 for BSGCL (don't know about PDCL), and I think it is of appropriate length.

Also I like the SEACL format, where each player only plays one game. As posters said above it will allow for more fairness because smurfs only get one point. Also it forces the whole team to be well rounded, so they cannot rely on one ace player anymore.

[ProAnnn]

A question. Each team send 5 players. Is the format the CURRENT 2011-2012 proleague format where NO ace players is used(5th player must be new, cannot be one of the 1st 4 sent out) OR isit the old format where the 5th player can be reused AKA ACE.

[crAzerk]

I think Bo7 is better than Bo5 because Bo5 is too short (potentially only 3 games? At most only 5). Bo7 allows for more players to join, and each match will be longer.

This has been discussed earlier, the problem with a bigger number of BoX is that more players have to turn up. Even now in PDCL I think some clans also have problems of people not turning up and it's Bo7.

[sRFullstop]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

This has been discussed earlier, the problem with a bigger number of BoX is that more players have to turn up. Even now in PDCL I think some clans also have problems of people not turning up and it's Bo7.

I see the problem, we are having it in BSGCL too. However, Bo5 is not as entertaining or exciting as a Bo7, and players don't really get the chance to play that many games. If this is a problem for many teams across many leagues then I suppose Bo5 will be better so clans can have a full roster. Bringing up the point of not enough players showing up, if this is the case maybe we should make the playoffs the same length as the bracket play. For example there might a problem of narrowly being able to get 4 players for Bo7 and then having to forfeit a game for Bo9 in playoffs?

[aLtMrFool]

I think there's a confusion going on right now where people are not sure whether the BO5 actually means :

1: First to win 3x 1v1 wins the set when only one match is going on at any one time

2: All 5 matches are played out and whichever team has 3 or more wins takes the set!

I do think that the current suggested format seems to be the latter? Can someone comfirm? Anyway I do think the 5 matches are all played out is better because

Firstly, it encourages more participation!

Secondly, we can have a higher variation of scores like 5:0 and 4:1 and 3:2 and if somehow the ultimate format determines that each win/loss has a score/points tied along with it, there'll be a better variation of scores to distinguish between each team!

[ProAnnn]

Originally Posted by aLtMrFool

I think there's a confusion going on right now where people are not sure whether the BO5 actually means :

1: First to win 3x 1v1 wins the set when only one match is going on at any one time

2: All 5 matches are played out and whichever team has 3 or more wins takes the set!

I do think that the current suggested format seems to be the latter? Can someone comfirm? Anyway I do think the 5 matches are all played out is better because

Firstly, it encourages more participation!

Secondly, we can have a higher variation of scores like 5:0 and 4:1 and 3:2 and if somehow the ultimate format determines that each win/loss has a score/points tied along with it, there'll be a better variation of scores to distinguish between each team!

There is a slight problem with this format. It is TIME-CONSUMING. If only 1 match is going at any one time, a 5 X Bo3 will take as long as 5 hours if it goes to all 3 sets in every game. Once i had a CW with this format and it took 4.5 hours to finish the entire CW. For people living in NZ, the games normally starts at 12am for them and it also means it ends 4.30am for them which may not be so good.

[deL]

Add to that MrFool that all 5 games would probably be played out so you can work out for/against scores in the case of a tie.

[aLtShortizz]

I say we go with the TCL Format, with 1 point games and 3 point games(Ace Matches). That format allows at least 5 players to play and creates alot of excitement where teams can guess and try to mind game each other in the ace matches.

PS: Is it confirmed on Saturday? I have a pretty busy weekends =P

[sRFullstop]

My understanding is that we have 5 1v1s played rather than having one game played, then winner stays on and plays another game... and so on, so basically we have 5 pairs of players playing against each other. The thing I am not sure of is whether we play the 1v1s all at the same time or whether we play it one at a time. If it is one at a time then it will be of "normal" length but if they are all played at the same time, it should be rather quick.

Originally Posted by iRLProAnnn

There is a slight problem with this format. It is TIME-CONSUMING. If only 1 match is going at any one time, a 5 X Bo3 will take as long as 5 hours if it goes to all 3 sets in every game. Once i had a CW with this format and it took 4.5 hours to finish the entire CW. For people living in NZ, the games normally starts at 12am for them and it also means it ends 4.30am for them which may not be so good.

Do you mean 5 x Bo1? Each pair of players only play one game.

[aLtMrFool]

You're misunderstanding me proann, I meant it this way and I should elaborate:

1: BO5 of 1v1 and only 3 wins is needed to take the set

For eg.

Player A > player B
Player C > player D
Player E > player F

Where ACE comes from team A and players BDF comes from team B

In this case, team A has taken the set which means only 3 games have been played.

Or

2: 5 games of 1v1 and all 5 games are played out and scores are all tabulated.

And yes, all 1v1s are BO1, I'm jusst trying to clear out the confusion as everyone seems to be thinnking of the format in different ways!

[ProAnnn]

Originally Posted by Fullstop

My understanding is that we have 5 1v1s played rather than having one game played, then winner stays on and plays another game... and so on, so basically we have 5 pairs of players playing against each other. The thing I am not sure of is whether we play the 1v1s all at the same time or whether we play it one at a time. If it is one at a time then it will be of "normal" length but if they are all played at the same time, it should be rather quick.



Do you mean 5 x Bo1? Each pair of players only play one game.

But the according to nirvana's post. The format would be 5 X Bo3.

[nirvAnA]

yup its 5xbo3. if its getting streamed just showcase the best 2 matches. They can be played concurrently so whole match can be over in an hour. atm theres no ace format because some teams can have 1-2 very strong players carrying them all the way through.

[NvJazBas]

Um just a suggestion, will it be possible to make a rule regarding race representation? Like, at least one of each race has to be played in the series or something. Just a suggestion.

[aLtMrFool]

Right, sorry my bad I didn't read it properly and got the wrong idea that it is 5 x 1v1.

In that case, I suppose all of them should be played concurrently or else it'd take forever for the games to finish...

I'm at pulau tekong right now and posting through my phone.. Not very easy to read everything properly and posting properly while doing duty .

[aLtMrFool]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

Um just a suggestion, will it be possible to make a rule regarding race representation? Like, at least one of each race has to be played in the series or something. Just a suggestion.

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