[CHoBo(kice)]

Originally Posted by im mafia

thats what i would say too if i was hacking

okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[x5.Revenant]

I'm sure there far more than enough evidence to conclude this case. All the previous cases had never had this much analysis, in-depth discussion, or even time consumed(Pretty sure Mafia and Rossi spent >5hours over this, and there's excluding everyone else that has contributed). What's the Q that Nirvana(or admins) are looking for to indicate he indeed is or isn't a hacker?

Oh and btw Chobo, this is the trend that I'm seeing:

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	ROOTPetraeus:
	MrToast:	There is zero actual 'evidence' if you actually look at things for yourself and not blindly trust people like Rossi
	Zealo:	i'm gonna spend 5 hours analysing mafia replays, then you have to call him a hacker too
	Strafe:	kid.

[iM MaFia]

your previous ID was YaMaMa and you were a known hacker too

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	x5.Revenant:	Is this true? YaMaMa(his previous IGN) was a hacker too?
	FvRphoneheha:	Yeah, this has been raised before. He's Definitely a previously proven hacker?

[ROOTPetraeus]

Agree with Rev here. What else is actually needed to prove him a hacker?

@delete, more so than you with yours.

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	UHF:	i haven't seen any absolute evidence that proves he is hacker?
	xGKingdelete:	i don't see how you are contributing to this thread in any of your posts
	nirvAnA:	probably the same thing TL is going to use, they have a very very similar case now

[jayaiwhy]

Originally Posted by jayaiwhy

*TABiggun: *
**** off idiot, you clearly havn't been reading this thread at all

I've been paying attention to this thread, and mostly annoyed by your rude responses towards chobo

1.
A brief comment from Chobo about Carnage, and you reply with

"Noone cares about this. Please start responding to the analysis that people have written so that a judgement can be made."

2.
"Just for the record, Do You HacK?????"

3.
"Quote me when you're talking to me."

4.
"Apart from the random people trying to troll in the thread aka targa, noone is being rude or name calling."

5.
then this, towards me and I believe I have said nothing wrong when I dropped a fact of life

"**** off idiot, you clearly havn't been reading this thread at all"

I'm being a bit biased, we come from the same city. Of course I don't want to accuse him.

As delete mentioned earlier, the way you see those replays is the way you want to see chobo.
Unless you have a personal grudge against chobo, I don't know why you are being so offensive to him. Ease up?

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	ROOTPetraeus:	<3
	Rage:
	xGKingdelete:
	nirvAnA:	<3

[CHoBo(kice)]

Edge: i still cant believe you ******* 6-0 jazbas out of nowhere

Dont bad mouth Oxygen, wth man are you serious? He was one of my favourite SEA Terrans, and he was top 16.

This was future seasons in which I improved, I got further coaching from a US top 16 gm, who taught me that lovely mech build with the gas first opening. I just had a really good run with it until people like pig and few others cought on roach b/lingd me hard so moved on.

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	x5.Revenant:	Female ESL Champ.
	TAEdgE:	im not bad mouthing oxygen haha, im saying oxy vs jaz in history oxy would be hard pressed to go 50/50 with him

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by jayaiwhy

I've been paying attention to this thread, and mostly annoyed by your rude responses towards chobo

1.
A brief comment from Chobo about Carnage, and you reply with

"Noone cares about this. Please start responding to the analysis that people have written so that a judgement can be made."

2.
"Just for the record, Do You HacK?????"

3.
"Quote me when you're talking to me."

4.
"Apart from the random people trying to troll in the thread aka targa, noone is being rude or name calling."

5.
then this, towards me and I believe I have said nothing wrong when I dropped a fact of life

"**** off idiot, you clearly havn't been reading this thread at all"

I'm being a bit biased, we come from the same city. Of course I don't want to accuse him.

As delete mentioned earlier, the way you see those replays is the way you want to see chobo.
Unless you have a personal grudge against chobo, I don't know why you are being so offensive to him. Ease up?

lol, I have been more that patient and only bringing up non biased evidence that I have had a long and serious thought over. I gave my analysis and the only replys I get from chobo are random sentence comments that are responding to silly things.

1. For some reason he stated that he would not respond to any accusations, then goes on a random argument and accuses cR of having a vendetta.

2. I asked so I can understand what his standing is. To that point in the thread he hadn't explained anything of substance. At least I got his attention so he would finally start responding, which he then did.

3. I already explained that comment in a previous post. Again, please read all the posts about this issue instead of randomly quoting stuff.

4. This is a true statement. We are not being aggressive or malicious. Many people have taken the time to give a long and detailed analysis. And it wasn't until just moments ago when we got any kind of response to our analysis.

5. When you make an idiotic post like this one:

Originally Posted by jayaiwhy

even if he explains, all you guys are going to do is "but (___________________________)"
then chobo can reply with "but (_________________________________)"
then you guys say "but (______________________________)"

it's so silly,

I feel obliged to respond because it is completely untrue.

I have not said anything insulting to chobo and given an analysis of what I saw in the replays. I don't have any personal grudge against chobo and I'm not being offensive to him.

Please stop responding to this thread because you have literally contributed nothing.

I on the other hand, I have spent all of last night and this whole day analyzing replays so please just go away.

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	x5.Revenant:
	xGKingdelete:

[jayaiwhy]

Originally Posted by TABiggun

lol, I have been more that patient and only bringing up non biased evidence that I have had a long and serious thought over. I gave my analysis and the only replys I get from chobo are random sentence comments that are responding to silly things.

1. For some reason he stated that he would not respond to any accusations, then goes on a random argument and accuses cR of having a vendetta.

2. I asked so I can understand what his standing is. To that point in the thread he hadn't explained anything of substance. At least I got his attention so he would finally start responding, which he then did.

3. I already explained that comment in a previous post. Again, please read all the posts about this issue instead of randomly quoting stuff.

4. This is a true statement. We are not being aggressive or malicious. Many people have taken the time to give a long and detailed analysis. And it wasn't until just moments ago when we got any kind of response to our analysis.

5. When you make an idiotic post like this one:



I feel obliged to respond because it is completely untrue.

I have not said anything insulting to chobo and given an analysis of what I saw in the replays. I don't have any personal grudge against chobo and I'm not being offensive to him.

Please stop responding to this thread because you have literally contributed nothing.

I on the other hand, I have spent all of last night and this whole day analyzing replays so please just go away.

How is what I said idiotic and not true?
Isn't that how humans behave on planet earth? Don't we argue back when arguments are being thrown at?

This argument is never going to end.
How can Chobo actually prove that he didn't hack?

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by jayaiwhy

How is what I said idiotic and not true?
Isn't that how humans behave on planet earth? Don't we argue back when arguments are being thrown at?

This argument is never going to end.
How can Chobo actually prove that he didn't hack?

No, you said we are blindly attacking chobo no matter what he says which isn't true.

Chobo can clear himself by responding to the analysis with his thought processes and decision making. Once again, this has been said throughout the thread.

Unless you have some kind of analysis to add, please **** off and stop posting in this thread.

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Snx.FigJig:

calm

[x5.Revenant]

Originally Posted by MrToast

There is zero actual 'evidence' if you actually look at things for yourself and not blindly trust people like Rossi

I don't know if you haven't been following the thread, not checked out the VODs that Rossi and Mafia made PLUS all the other evidence that people have wrote, or you're just simply ignorant.

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AxSGRiM:

[MrToast]

Originally Posted by Revenant

I don't know if you haven't been following the thread, not checked out the VODs that Rossi and Mafia made PLUS all the other evidence that people have wrote, or you're just simply ignorant.

I checked out ALL of the evidence and even wrote up an analysis of one of the games if you would have read more than 2 pages. Rossi made the viking video which is hardly hacking since almost all Terrans send their vikings to obvious overlord positions. Chobo also explained his reasoning behind changing the rally point to make sure his third wasn't shown.

Rossi also brought up chobos 'screen lock' when in the SAME replay Rossi's camera was shown 'screen locking' at certain times in the replay. Which also makes it far far from conclusive evidence unless you want to ban Rossi also.

Mafias whole argument has been brought down 'That's exactly what a hacker would say.' because he cannot conclusively explain his way around Chobos reasoning for what is (to be honest) standard Terran play.

If anyone here is being ignorant it would be you for not looking at both sides of the argument.


Feel free to show me any 'concrete' evidence that chobo hacks please.

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	NvRossi:	lost cause
	x5.Revenant:	cause lost
	TAriiChard:	blind
	AxSGRiM:	what?
	Rage:	counter rep
	syfMiley:	dont think so
	xGKingdelete:	maybe try to refute his previous points instead of neg rep?
	nirvAnA:	Agree with delete, respond to his post
	Zepph:	Again, if you don't have top level knowledge I don't think you're qualified to give good insight.
	neKo:	So rossi is a hacker aye ?
	crAzerk:	counter for pointless bad rep

[x5.Revenant]

Originally Posted by MrToast

I checked out ALL of the evidence and even wrote up an analysis of one of the games if you would have read more than 2 pages. Rossi made the viking video which is hardly hacking since almost all Terrans send their vikings to obvious overlord positions. Chobo also explained his reasoning behind changing the rally point to make sure his third wasn't shown.

Rossi also brought up chobos 'screen lock' when in the SAME replay Rossi's camera was shown 'screen locking' at certain times in the replay. Which also makes it far far from conclusive evidence unless you want to ban Rossi also.

Mafias whole argument has been brought down 'That's exactly what a hacker would say.' because he cannot conclusively explain his way around Chobos reasoning for what is (to be honest) standard Terran play.

If anyone here is being ignorant it would be you for not looking at both sides of the argument.


Feel free to show me any 'concrete' evidence that chobo hacks please.

Hardly hacking? I beg to defer. I've been reading the thread from the first Post that Rossi made till the end of it. You can verify it by looking through every one of it and seeing my reps in it.

• The first two VODs show standard viking rally for a Terran. However, the first VOD showed that he rallied right into 3overlords(if not more). The 3rd VOD of him vs Pel is the evidence where he 1) does not follow the standard rally pattern that he did for the previous games 2) totally omits scouting both sides of his base and instead rallies straight into an ovie.
  
  
• Ender vs Chobo on Ohana where he looks into Ender's base: My assumption is that he didnt hold down his screen lock button at that point of time. No sane player will look at his opponent's base without doing anything(e.g. sending a unit into it). Any seasoned veteran will tell you the same.
  
  
• Watch Mafia's 1hour VOD, it does have a chunk of the "evidence" that you require. The fact that you said "Mafia's whole argument has been brought down 'That's exactly what a hacker would say.'" is a sign that you obviously didn't go through the evidence presented to you through and through.
  
  
• Edit: SC2Gear Logs too.
  

I've been playing him for seasons after seasons on ladder(ever since he was YaMaMa), and he's simply not the same calibre as Mafia nor TargA to 3-0 and 2-0 them respectively. Sorry, you simply don't have the adequate knowledge,SC2 or not, to be in this. Stay outta it.

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	xGKingdelete:	the point of this thread is to have everyone contribute so we can make a fair judgement
	RicocheT:	Just because he doesn't have adequate knowledge doesn't mean he can't give his opinion
	TASlowHands:
	Zealo:	wait, so now he hacks on ladder against everyone except you? :S

[cRSenSei]

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	[TA]LoSt:	ahahaha
	syfPhoenix:

[SanG]

At the risk of getting flamed, I think TargA's right LOL.
All the people who's "defending" chobo are from perth
WHERE ARE YOU YAAAAANG

[Sent1nel]

Whilst I'll freely admit I haven't spent much time in SC2, there are far too many coincidences for my liking relating to "pathing" and unit selection/movement. The scouting of overlords might be a contentious point however selecting units at the right time every time when the player should have no knowledge of what is happening or about to happen is pretty damning.

I've been on anti-cheat teams for upwards of 18 years for FPS games and there are plenty of occasions where it wasn't clear cut. Having an in-depth knowledge of the game and how it should play is where professional analysis really comes in. Some people commenting in this thread may or may not be able to decipher some of the nuisances of the game/s.

Could someone please provide me with the contact details for this Catz? I will happily pay him $100 USD in order for him to review the demo's openly for everyone in SC2SEA to discuss and hopefully put this to bed once and for all.

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	TAEdgE:
	cRSenSei:	catz isn't worth $100
	iM MaFia:	yesssssssssssss
	Peleus:	Thanks for the sentiment at least.
	nirvAnA:	nice <3
	syfPhoenix:	^^ 100% agreement
	Snx.FigJig:	team generous!
	RicocheT:
	LennX:
	crAzerk:	settling this nonsense likeaboss
	TCPLemminks:	generous, but an anakysis from someone like Catz isn't worth $100
	Zealo:	very generous, but why would you do this?
	DM.MCZ.Polaris:	Giving is better than receiving! Sweet! I support!
	neKo:	Like it!
	fray`Alpha:

[NvRossi]

please try not to disregard comments that are stated over multiple replays based off you watching one ******* replay

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Zealo:

he's saying the evidence from that replay is pretty weak, stop fighting straw men

[Sedz]

Originally Posted by NvRossi

please try not to disregard comments that are stated over multiple replays based off you watching one ******* replay

I'm not disregarding comments unless they are incredibly retarded, merely replying to the accusations based on this one particular replay. If more replays are given that haven't already been analysed, and any suss timings pointed out, I will have a look if 12 other people haven't already and give my honest opinion (as I did previously).

So far, most of it is just a lot of people being butthurt or bandwagon'ing.

EDIT: As for the brief moments of time where he stops for a few seconds, I can offer one explanation, during the games he was talking to me on skype, thus he would have to alt tab, I can even provide logs with time stamps if you guys are interested and they can be matched up to the games.

[ROOT`iaguz]

Ender vs Chobo on Ohana where he looks into Ender's base: My assumption is that he didnt hold down his screen lock button at that point of time. No sane player will look at opponent's map without doing anything(e.g. sending a unit into it). Any seasoned veteran will tell you the same.

Wrong. I've looked at bases to double check what I'd seen plenty of times.

Although if YaMaMa, his old id, was a confirmed hacker then I would actually condemn him purely off that and encourage others to do the same.

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	x5.Revenant:	My assumption is wrong on this habit then.
	Zealo:	i thought i was insane for a second

[iM SundeR]

I don't get it, if the blink stalker hack user Sequoia or any of the other confirmed hackers in the OP of this thread changed his name and came back after three seasons being all like 'nono im really good now, i train heaps and im so good just ask me', then showed signs of hacking, there would be a different outcome.

Why are we treating YaMaMa any differently?

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Zealo:

when was yamama confirmed as a hacker? i wouldn't have missed that

[x5.Revenant]

@Delete: I agree with you totally, but when someone just disses off all the effort( that everyone pieced together and spent so much time on) with his ignorance, you know he does not belong.