[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by cruxis

I have an idea.

Send the replays to Catz. He went through Spades replays today and showed the signs of hacking. Some of them were really ******* obscure.

So, why not send the replays to Catz to investigate. He has no interest in the players, the tournament, for the SEA community, so he will be completely neutral. You can even take it a step further and not tell him which player you think is hacking, and if he says Chobo was hacking, then it's a fairly safe bet that he was. If he says he can't find sufficient evidence of either player hacking, well, most probably innocent.

Read the bold part ^^^^

Please know that when i say this i mean no offense, but that could possibly be the dumbest thing I have read in this thread so far.

Why would CatZ waste tons of his time analysing the replays of some random SEA player ? We already have tons of top players from SEA like rossi, mafia, etc who have looked over the replays and given their analysis.

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	ROCCAT_Savior:	yeap
	nirvAnA:	CatZ btw is a registered sc2sea member. True story.

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by TABiggun

Read the bold part ^^^^

Please know that when i say this i mean no offense, but that could possibly be the dumbest thing I have read in this thread so far.

Why would CatZ waste tons of his time analysing the replays of some random SEA player ? We already have tons of top players from SEA like rossi, mafia, etc who have looked over the replays and given their analysis.

I sohuld also add then: He hates hackers and is happy to help in finding them out and ruining their SC career. He went through like 8 of Spades replays over the course of 2 hours.

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by cruxis

I sohuld also add then: He hates hackers and is happy to help in finding them out and ruining their SC career. He went through like 8 of Spades replays over the course of 2 hours.

Well then go ahead.

[Strafe]

Originally Posted by cruxis

I have an idea.

Send the replays to Catz. He went through Spades replays today and showed the signs of hacking. Some of them were really ******* obscure.

So, why not send the replays to Catz to investigate. He has no interest in the players, the tournament, for the SEA community, so he will be completely neutral. You can even take it a step further and not tell him which player you think is hacking, and if he says Chobo was hacking, then it's a fairly safe bet that he was. If he says he can't find sufficient evidence of either player hacking, well, most probably innocent.

Go for it. But looking through these replays is a lot of effort. Another reason why efforts by Rossi and Mafia to settle this should be applauded. But for that very reason I do not expect a player like Catz to take his time for some no names( no offense, but to him none of us are known ) to see if either one is hacking or not. What's in it for him? Unless he's a crusader of the fairness of esports I doubt he'll be taking a few hours of his time for this.

[iM MaFia]

Just made a video of my rep analysis for those who are too lazy to download and rewatch the rep themselves. This is of Chobo and Enderr

it's about 30 mins long, so theres alot of random bits but if you guys disagree with any of those points i mentioned in the video please say so
http://www.twitch.tv/xeriamafia/b/320424553



ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.

9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.

16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.

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[xGKingdelete]

I'm going through this replay and analysing for chobo's benefit, because if he tried to explain himself it would be shut down immediately by everyone. I'm personally undecided if he's hacking or not.

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

Just made a video of my rep analysis for those who are too lazy to download and rewatch the rep themselves. This is of Chobo and Enderr

it's about 30 mins long, so theres alot of random bits but if you guys disagree with any of those points i mentioned in the video please say so
http://www.twitch.tv/xeriamafia/b/320424553



ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.
he was planning to salvage it anyway, that might have been a coincidence

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.
He was just looking at the base, maybe he didn't notice there was gas when he was microing his marines but saw it on the minimap. Decides to look to confirm that the gas is taken. Also, isn't this contradictory to the "camera lock" thing?

9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.
he could have assumed that there were overlords in those positions without maphack

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.
if he was maphacking, wouldn't he go for the one on the right of his base, as it's closer? He's checking common spots (the fringes of the map), and coincidentally there are overlords in the common spots. It looks like he wanted to check the edges of the map, from the rally points.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.
he might have assumed there would be a zergling there

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.
Similarly, he could have assumed this.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.
He ran away from the queen, then redid his attack rally to avoid the third base, but went back to the original path (looking at the edges of the map)

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.
His viking flew over that army a few seconds ago

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.
Later in the game, this depo wall dies and he rebuilds it shortly after. It may have been "conveniently" placed the first time, but that might have been coincidence. It looks like something he just does on this map.

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.
don't know about this

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.
I don't know about TvZ, but maybe he was just being safe from any counter attack.
Why would he rally to the natural if he knew the attack would come at the 3 depo wall at the fourth?

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.
his viking's path pretty much covers the whole right hand side of the map anyway

16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.
he had just completed moving his army to the watchtower, might have just looked at it because he had nothing better to do.

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.
He controls his double medivac drop to try and kill any of the lings that killed that scv shortly before. He doesn't see any, and resets the medivacs path to do the drop in the main. He flies over a zergling that was barely out of the medivac's vision while his camera was on the medivacs.
Zergling or overlord, if he noticed he would have cancelled the drop regardless

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.
This is his deathpush, and he wants the units to be rallied offensively

The way that a game appears depends on the viewer's mindset. As many of you believe he is hacking, you will see these moves as evidence. As I'm doing this to defend him, I don't. If anyone else is truely looking for the truth, watch this replay and the others yourself.

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	Welshy:
	nirvAnA:	thats why you are the manner man <3 this post is gold
	CHoBo(kice):	ty sir
	Zealo:	pretty much how i saw it

[UHF]

In response to Mafia

ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.

He has started pulling back units well before Ender moves up to the top of the ramp. At that point he had 5 Marines with a half health bunker, with 3 Marines running from the other side of the map. Is it a hack or just good game sense that he should pull back before he loses everything (he has nothing back at home if he does lose it all).

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.

True - but he could be just checking to see what he scouted when he was pushing in the front door with Marines.

9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

Yes I will admit this does look fishy. However, both positions are behind mineral lines and likely positions for scouting overlords. Surely most pros would check for OLs? This makes SENSE when he lifts and places his third CC soon after in the direction he scouted with his Viking.

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.

Sends Hellions to Xel'Naga to scout, then to his third to clear before moving his CC in. Ender does NOT see the CC coming in - is this hacking or good game play?

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.

Slightly fishy, but follows the theme of clearing out the expo's so his opponent doesn't know what he is doing.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.

Not that surprising if this is a set path he does often (i have seen him do this against non Zerg players)

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.

At the same time his Viking flies over the lings at the top tower. He see's these on his MINIMAP, moves hellions down to 3rd, then goes up to look at Tower but vikings have already moved past.

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.

This is fishy. However if we go for a counter arguement, he has seen lings at his 3rd three times now AND has been supply blocked for a while. Seems like a decent idea to wall off.

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.

Again, fishy. Could be positioning them behind the wall as protection from any attacks. Eventually replaces Hellions with a single marine (which seems like a weird choice if he knows how many lings at there).

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.

Yup, at this point in the game he has had lings down there 4 times.

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.

The only units he has seen this far in is lings. There has been no pressure except to the bottom left which has dealt with, either legitimately or not. His Viking has been roaming uncontested, which suggests no mutas.

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.

It also goes back along the path it came along. He has been scouting both sides of the maps with Vikings all game. His pathing covers all the open air space AND the expo's along that side. It's a good path to take.


16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.

His first few clicks are PAST the zergling bunch, which indicates he was planning on doing something with the SCV.

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.

Ignoring this because i don't think it's anything

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.

Bottom of the ramp to the nat/main. seems reasonable

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Overall, I think there is a very fine line between either being fishy (aka cheating), or just having great game sense, good game play and playing really well. I honestly wouldn't put money either way, as arguements can be made from both sides.

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[Nemo]

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

Just made a video of my rep analysis for those who are too lazy to download and rewatch the rep themselves. This is of Chobo and Enderr

it's about 30 mins long, so theres alot of random bits but if you guys disagree with any of those points i mentioned in the video please say so
http://www.twitch.tv/xeriamafia/b/320424553



ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.
Franckly the attack was over. I think it's only a coincidence.

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.
Don't think that he would need it if map hacking. You have production tab in this case and also the opponent resources like in a replay.

9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,
From me that Viking patrol is legit. That Viking simply recover map control for s. He has to patrol that route and none other.

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.
As others have said, it could be MH or simply standard.

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.
This one is a bit suspect.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.
Rerouting on same path after getting attacked by queen.

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.
I have no opinion about this one.

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.
He has done that in other games. It seems standard for him but it's true the timing is sus.

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.
This is clearly extremely suspect or "huuuge luck". This move must be explained.

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.
Not really suspicious IMO.

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.
I think he was on the offensive and was not afraid of muta. Could be suspect though, but not that much.

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.
Standard for him. Just going on being active with his viking.

16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.
Very suspect too.

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.
I think he just wanted to clear the zone. He didn't know what there was in here.

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.
Just a-clicking for the end. He killed too much, he knows he's very far ahead.

Well, there are definitely some interesting points here even if, in my opinion, most of it are not that suspect.

He was too far ahead in this game to really show if he was hacking. The best games to see that is when he has difficult times. In most of the games we saw with tgun, he was not MH for sure, but he could use it only from time to time, so it's not proof he never hacks.

I will go on watching those tomorrow since now its bed time.

[CHoBo(kice)]

Nice post rossi, might I argue that's the same path as medivacs? A player at your calibre not to understand this I cannot understand myself.

Would I not want to clear the path in which I would like to do some marine drops...?

sigh.. I always try avoid queens..

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Pandan:

I take this means no pics of the 11/10? :(

[Peleus]

In the interest of the full picture re: viking paths in my game later he did move to scout the opposite side where no overlords were present. In all 3 games on Onaha (sp?) he scouted or attempted to scout both sides where ovies are commonly placed for drops.


That doesn't however explain things such as - switching rallies between the overlords in vid #2 (I believe), not scouting behind his natural, scouting behind his nat / 3rd and not doing that any other time.

So yeah, just trying to remain unbiased, I think the vid's unfairly leave out the subsequent command queues that's all.

Saying that, it's looking really really suspect when everything is placed together, and what conclusive evidence could we actually obtain?

[syfChadMann]

I think the evidence is starting to stack up... I'd like to hear from someone that knows about the hacks and how they work, maybe someone can get in touch with evets and he can start to clear his name by helping find the hackers...

However, unless something new can be brought up - this thread is starting to derail.. so keep it to new discussion or new points - if you simply agree with someone, give them a positive or neutral rep, if you disagree write a neutral rep..

anyway, I think the evidence is there but sadly it is not conclusive - the Viking pathing is suss, but not overly, it is inconsistant, but he sends a viking to between his main and nat a few times and then once, he doesn't.. could he have seen the first scouting ovie and known that it went to the top of his main, and not between his main an nat? I think there are a few circumstances about how he might have seen the overlords in the early game that needs to be considered...

Finally, CHobo - if you are indeed a hacker, come clean, save everyone the time. If you are not, you need a big post that addresses the accusations (including pics of GF) and then let the discussion take its course. If you are truely innocent, state your case and move on, but you need to address the accusations. But as I said, if you hack.. just save us all alot of time and come clean. I'll think your balls are massive if you can front up to it and take it like a man..

EDIT: happy now Saviour?..
EDIT: Pandan: Rep is a system that people can use to reply to the posts rather than filling a thread that needs to contain evidence for people to access. Too many random useless posts make it hard to find the important posts that need to be addressed. Is all I'm sayin'.

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	ROCCAT_Savior:	also pics of gf.
	Pandan:	Who cares about rep? srsly. If they no likely, you get sadfase, otherwise it kind of loses the effect!
	mGGDaedalus:	agreed. more replays less flaming plz
	sRAnti:	I feel like the 1st viking video is pretty conclusive, but good post
	nirvAnA:
	LennX:	Why the fixation on his gf? It just feel stalkerish and getting an innocent party involved.
	x5.Revenant:	^You're getting trolled.

[Pandan]

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

Finally, CHobo - if you are indeed a hacker, come clean, save everyone the time. If you are not, you need a big post that addresses the accusations and then let the discussion take its course. If you are truely innocent, state your case and move on, but you need to address the accusations. But as I said, if you hack.. just save us all alot of time and come clean. I'll think your balls are massive if you can front up to it and take it like a man..

I disagree with that point. If he cannot be proven to cheat, he needs to be watched and PROVE he doesn't by playing.

Unfortunately words on internets won't always work (especially because some people r liek stupidz n stuff an sumtiems they gget wordz mist8kn and dun esplain well)

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Pandan

I disagree with that point. If he cannot be proven to cheat, he needs to be watched and PROVE he doesn't by playing.

Unfortunately words on internets won't always work (especially because some people r liek stupidz n stuff an sumtiems they gget wordz mist8kn and dun esplain well)

Can't expect someone who is legitimately innocent to be constantly addressing everyone's tiny concerns. He does need to prove it to us at LAN. But his silly one line responses aren't going him any favours.

Address the accusations or admit to them. Then prove to us that you are innocent.
Is all I'm saying.

Pandan, your spelling is horrible mate.
Grammar, it is the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.

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Pandan:

haha. But srsly, he's clearly going to avoid it - we're going to be forced to see him prove himself as a good player over time, methinks

[CHoBo(kice)]

Well what I dont understand, had i known if he was prepared why would I even go at all or if i KNEW what he had... could just sit in base and not lose mining time.

I got scared off, because by the poke it looked like he was well prepared. best that I return to base and try to out macro. it was just pure lucky the suicide ling run by that's all. that and I thought it would be funny to pull back after an all-in, and take a win.

similar to my game 2 I did double 11 at the watch tower like I have seen Polt do. I think they call then "funny games"

[Meatex]

I may not be top level but those overlord positions seem pretty standard for the map
I see it on streams from pros and I use the same positioning for my overlords
Suss perhaps but far from damning

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CHoBo(kice):

Ty sir

[iceiceice]

I posted this in the iFinity chat, I guess I can post it here as well.

Right now there are 3 types of people defending chobo,

1. people from perth
2. nirvana
3. people that dislike targa

What do they all have in common? They ____ at starcraft 2. ( fill in the blanks yo)

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	inFeZa:	BANNED
	iM tgun:	.
	CHoBo(kice):	its already been posted by targa and its not even funny
	syfChadMann:	-_____-
	ROOTPetraeus:	you're a disappointment to your team.
	Stallion:	pointless
	x5.Revenant:	You're a disappointment to Chobos, Pet. :(
	neKo:	pos rep for trying. cause it matters
	crAzerk:	cant neg rep targa so here's yours
	AxSGRiM:	iceiceice~
	deL:	.
	ToR.Arnor:	awesome contribution DERP

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by iceiceice

I posted this in the iFinity chat, I guess I can post it here as well.

Right now there are 3 types of people defending chobo,

1. people from perth
2. nirvana
3. people that dislike targa

What do they all have in common? They ____ at starcraft 2. ( fill in the blanks yo)

Really dude...

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CHoBo(kice):

[nirvAnA]

my chat with ice

[5:29:05 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): lol ice
[5:29:10 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): dont involve yourself in the drama
[5:29:12 PM] ecireve: TROLL
[5:29:19 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): im serious, delete it
[5:29:28 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): if not i have to ban you cause i banned targa
[5:29:30 PM] ecireve: nooooo
[5:29:34 PM] ecireve: ban ban!
[5:29:35 PM] ecireve: i made
[5:29:36 PM] ecireve: a bet
[5:29:37 PM] ecireve: with them
[5:29:39 PM] ecireve: you have to ban me

If you guys wanna catch this guy, this trolling / derailment is not helping at all. stick to the topic!

and actually thinking about it ice doesn't troll consistently enough for that to warrant a ban, it would be a warning at most for derailing a very important issue at hand so too bad you lost your bet.

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	Stallion:	excatly
	TCPLemminks:	oh snap

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Not sure if that's iceiceice or TargA on ice's account. Big Questions.

Anyways, I edited a post previously but I'll put it in here so people actually read it:

When I watch those links, it's not amazing that he found overlords. Zergs always put overlords on the sides of ohana, around the main ledges and that area behind the natural. Ender and Mafia had very similar positions for their overlords, so do most zergs on that map. Zergs who don't suck balls position overlords around drop lanes, you can't call someone a hacker that they do this. Rossi, have you ever made a viking and just flown it around and got overlords because you can predict without looking where they'll probably be, and had it be successful? I have plenty of times.

What is really suspect is the fact his habits change. His path in the ender and mafia games is very similar and covers a lot of ground and is just sensible terran play, but the fact that in the peleus game it changes a lot, he skips a lot of ground. Although in the Peleus game he makes a point of running that one viking around a ton, even over large stretches of map that is clear of overlords (the full left of the map) all game long.

As for the pylon thing, it's careless that he didn't check all the third, but rossi you know as well as I do that there's always an additional pylon. Didn't Ray ever teach you that? We'd need to see a lot more replays of him locating the hidden protoss pylons more often. Remember later in that game he does load a full doom drop right underneath an observer and move them right over a pylon before realising it'd been spotted.

The main 100% thing that makes me think he's a hacker is the pull back of the century. That simply does not make sense to me at all.

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	Pox:	all good points
	Eddie:	Good points.I think the pull back was fine since he could assume was scouted, as it was.
	nirvAnA:

[iceiceice]

my 50 bucks..

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jayaiwhy:

ban ban!