[BAD.BiGbiRd]

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. He may very well be a SEA GM level so if you just grab him out of the blue he can handle himself no problems. There is an extremely large difference between that and changing your hotkeys completely and demolishing SEA's best no sweat.

I stayed out of the hacking war because i was not completely convinced and didn't have enough time to analyse everything myself. I am however completely sure that he has had someone else smurphing on his account, the evidence is just far too good. You CANNOT change your hotkey set-up or game mannerisms game to game. It just doesn't happen

[TASlowHands]

Originally Posted by TekBiGbiRd

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. He may very well be a SEA GM level so if you just grab him out of the blue he can handle himself no problems. There is an extremely large difference between that and changing your hotkeys completely and demolishing SEA's best no sweat.

I stayed out of the hacking war because i was not completely convinced and didn't have enough time to analyse everything myself. I am however completely sure that he has had someone else smurphing on his account, the evidence is just far too good. You CANNOT change your hotkey set-up or game mannerisms game to game. It just doesn't happen

From what I can tell this is kinda sc2services 'business model' take some player with potential, power level his account for a fee, then teach them enough, for a fee again to wing it at that level and not get destroyed constantly.

The fact he liked that site on his facebook is super ******* shady

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

i think pig advises people too try his out but his are very basic

Ok sorry I'm wrong on this I guess cause Pig is a sick coach

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PiG:

I use beginner hotkeys cos i never play bw :P

[MrToast]

I think people should at LEAST wait for a retort from Chobo before people start claiming this to be 'concrete proof. Especially with the amount of times Rossi has come with some 'infallible truth' only to have it blow up in his face

Also didn't Nirvana mention in the thread this is meant to be in that he asked chobo to get on on skype and he got on right away and answered a personal question IN GAME while he was playing nirvana at a top GM level?

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	TAEdgE:	the thing regarding nirvana isn't as easy as that either - check rossis post on this page
	Cyanide:	something that could have been easily anticipated

[Kepler]

On the contrary, Grim. I'm not going to defend Kice for this, he's on his own.

I trusted that his play was his own, and if this turns out to not be true then that trust was betrayed. The more problematic ramifications are that this will tarnish our clan's reputation, even if Kice is not a representative sample of all of us it will still paint us in a damaging light when people run into us on ladder.

Originally Posted by MrToast

I think people should at LEAST wait for a retort from Chobo before people start claiming this to be 'concrete proof. Especially with the amount of times Rossi has come with some 'infallible truth' only to have it blow up in his face

Also didn't Nirvana mention in the thread this is meant to be in that he asked chobo to get on on skype and he got on right away and answered a personal question IN GAME while he was playing nirvana at a top GM level?

This is true, but I'm confused as to how there isn't an element of truth to Rossi's claim in this case. The facebook link I provided is also more evidence.

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	Nadir:	I don't want AsG to denote shadiness
	TABiggun:	I don't think it's that bad for your clan, there was no way for you to know unless you did tons of analysis.

[RicocheT]

Originally Posted by Kepler

The more problematic ramifications are that this will tarnish our clan's reputation, even if Kice is not a representative sample of all of us it will still paint us in a damaging light when people run into us on ladder.

I disagree mate. Just because one apple is bad (In our case Evets), doesn't mean your reputation is lost. I'm sure SPR can say the same with that dude who hacked, Meany or something. Both of our clans are still standing, going strong, both clans were vocal when both of our members were accused of hacking (I certainly as hell was vocal). However, most people are far more mature and smart enough to realize just because there was a bad apple, doesn't apply to the entire clan. This is Starcraft 2 SEA, not call of duty with preb 12 year olds.

Addressing the point of evidence, I think the cat is out of the bag. He's guilty in my books. SC2gears OP.

[Kepler]

Originally Posted by FaDeUndoNe

I disagree mate. Just because one apple is bad (In our case Evets), doesn't mean your reputation is lost. I'm sure SPR can say the same with that dude who hacked, Meany or something. Both of our clans are still standing, going strong, both clans were vocal when both of our members were accused of hacking (I certainly as hell was vocal). However, most people are far more mature and smart enough to realize just because there was a bad apple, doesn't apply to the entire clan. This is Starcraft 2 SEA, not call of duty with preb 12 year olds.

Addressing the point of evidence, I think the cat is out of the bag. He's guilty in my books. SC2gears OP.

Given the amount of vitriol that resulted from this in comparison to other incidents, it did have me worried. Obviously this community is much more forgiving than a shithole like /r/Starcraft, but people have a funny way of associating a whole group of people because of the actions of an individual.

I do agree that we're likely not to have any repercussions to AsG specifically.

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by Kepler

Given the amount of vitriol that resulted from this in comparison to other incidents, it did have me worried. Obviously this community is much more forgiving than a shithole like /r/Starcraft, but people have a funny way of associating a whole group of people because of the actions of an individual.

I do agree that we're likely not to have any repercussions to AsG specifically.

I can vouch that FaDe was not affected at all by the EvetS scandal. EvetS was / is a buddy of mine very friendly guy (first person I cast with) and a lot of people were hurt by the realization when he admitted to it, but no one blamed the clan. Enough water has gone under the bridge for him to even come along and provide evidence in the hacker thread and not feel threatened by our community which of course will never lash out at someone for legitimately helping.

FaDe is still a very close knit and strong pillar of SEA. As long as the leadership and members remain as high calibur as you are on this forum, and continue to participate in SEA tournaments and events AsG will continue to be as well.

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	Kepler:	I'm glad to see the optimism, I'm not really used to online communities being so welcoming.
	RicocheT:	Too awesome, too sexy...too hairy?
	TAEdgE:

[RicocheT]

Originally Posted by Kepler

Given the amount of vitriol that resulted from this in comparison to other incidents, it did have me worried. Obviously this community is much more forgiving than a shithole like /r/Starcraft, but people have a funny way of associating a whole group of people because of the actions of an individual.

It's due to it being a tournament setting. No one wants a tournament tarnished by hackers/smurfers/etc. It wasn't an attack on Chobo or anything, but rather ensuring that the Masters Cup and other tournaments run by sc2sea are kept clean and hacker free.

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	Kepler:	I agree, the spam when he logged in on SC2 and into his SC2SEA inbox was what concerned me.
	syfChadMann:	I think he is talking about how everyone thinks TA are BM?.. which they aren't.. ;)

[nGenLight]

Maybe this chobo guy is not real and is just Targa trolling us.

Maybe I am insane and the world isn't real.

Maybe... I am minimat...

Anyway, call me... maybe

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	BAD.BiGbiRd:
	NvJazBas:
	Kepler:	What is real? How do you define real?
	Dox:	you are a beautiful man
	FvRphoneheha:	Maybe Light's right!
	dippa:	**** - that - song
	VoxMSI.Rogue:
	inFeZa:	WHAT THA **** IS GOING ON IN MY HEAD

[MooZfY]

Still waiting for chobo response to this >_<

[syfChadMann]

Yeah - I just wanna say,
Don't hate on AsG - they are a good bunch of guys that stuck up for their clan mate.
I'm sure you would all do the same. Its easy for them to defend him as they are his friends and until now - no one was sure - no one had the right evidence.. so don't hate AsG. AsG are still a talented clan that represents their state well..

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	TAEdgE:
	MooZfY:
	Sedz:	Thanks
	AxSGRiM:
	TABiggun:	100% true
	Maynarde:
	Nadir:	Cheers bud
	AsGNabi:	Thank you.
	TAriiChard:

[iVnStinger]

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

Yeah - I just wanna say,
Don't hate on AsG - they are a good bunch of guys that stuck up for their clan mate.
I'm sure you would all do the same. Its easy for them to defend him as they are his friends and until now - no one was sure - no one had the right evidence.. so don't hate AsG. AsG are still a talented clan that represents their state well..

@ASG - I can vouch for this as well. When iVnFictioN hacked I thought iVn was done and I'd have thought everyone would hate us, but it was the exact opposite. I was being so hostile because I thought people were trying to hate on us. Similarly when iVnWallace was accused for hacking. But I was sadly mistaken. Sc2sea has such an amazing community. They help in the discussions and they do not judge the clan/team based on what 1 player has done. This is truly a community which makes me feel at home, one that I can share anything with and not feel scared. Do not feel like you guys will be hated. If you guys ever need help, you can find us here

@Rossi - Some people may think you've gone overboard with how much research you have done and how much effort you have put into this. But I for one would like to sincerely thank you for your amazing work. I do not like hackers. I've hated them even more when one of my own started hacking. The dedication you have shown to making this community a better place is something not everyone can show. I salute you sir. As well as everyone who has helped like tgun, Mafia and Nirvana (i can't remember all)

All I hope for is that Chobo can come clean and accept his punishment.

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	NvRossi:	I really appreciate that. Im glad something good came out of this
	syfPhoenix:
	TAriiChard:

[nGenLight]

The blueprints of how a player spams his hotkeys is like everyone's fingerprints - unique. His hotkey blue prints being exactly the same as accused smurfer is probably the most conclusive evidence against him thus far.

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BAD.BiGbiRd:

Yeah thats what i'm trying to drill home lol

[Zealo]

just to clarify, rossi is withdrawing his claim that chobo hacked in masters cup?

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	NvJazBas:	wtf that got to do with this -_-..
	Sedz:	oh god ******* dammit, i love you
	AxSGRiM:	we wont be seeing chobo in tournaments anywaiz
	syfChadMann:	Hacking or smurfing - its still cheating.
	AsGNabi:	LOL
	TABiggun:	Chobo has shown he is willing to do some bad things to make people think he is good, wouldnt be surprised if he hacked.
	Kepler:	Just like your PvZ, this is hilarious.
	TAriiChard:	LOL... wtf
	x5.Revenant:	butt's sore.

[Kepler]

Originally Posted by Zealo

just to clarify, rossi is withdrawing his claim that chobo hacked in masters cup?

Seems so. But it doesn't really invalidate the fact that there is something shady going on here. I'm hoping that kice will actually respond.

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Zealo:

rossi's made so many "i am ******* sure" accusations that contradict each other, i'm trying to keep track

[mGGDaedalus]

Originally Posted by Sedz

so I can start building my clan's rep back up again and move on.

Seeing as there's no evidence of other asg members being in on this incident, I don't think you have too much to worry about with your clan's reputation. When we had the evets situation people seemed to be pretty understanding and I imagine it will be the same here. People just want to get to the bottom of this.

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	Maynarde:
	Sedz:
	Kepler:

[iM MaFia]

i think its very likely chobo has disappeared already

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	AxSGRiM:	i will take his girlfriend!
	AsGNabi:	O__O
	ToR.Arnor:	Hands off GRiM, ^_^

[TABottles]

If I let my friend play my account today - is that frowned upon? Do other people let people play their accounts? Of course not in tournaments or to boost my stats. I just laddered with my friend today swapping game by game for fun. Bad or good? He's someone who doesn't own Starcraft 2 for himself.

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TABiggun:

why would that be bad? We are talking about chobo pretending to be higher skill than he is and winning tournament money

[NvJazBas]

Do you guys remember this BM guy called Kayhan?

He was accused for not paying Chobo money after getting coached from him because he could beat him.

I coached Kayhan (he paid me every penny), I COULD BEAT HIM WITH TERRAN.

YOU DON'T LOSE TO KAYHAN AND BEAT MAFIA,ENDER,TARGA and GLADE

ps.dont get me wrong. Kayhan didn't do the right thing either.

edit: and tgun/yang etc

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Kepler:

I wouldn't exactly trust Kayhan's opinion. Kayhan was not very good.