[Bugalugs McScruffin]

So, a quick couple of comments...

First up, I'm a little bit confused about why people keep on splitting these into Pro, Clan, BSG divisions. Sure, this would be a good guide when you first start to sort out what teams start where, but it's not the aim of the different divisions. The aim of the different divisions is to ensure that you have clan teams (as opposed to pro teams) that would be working together and trying to improve as a team.

The basic setup as far as I understand it from what Frogmite and Maynarde have said before is a set team (or teams) from a clan, as you would have in any other sport. They are placed in a division in which they compete for that season. At the completion of that season you have the top two teams from the lower division playoff against the bottom two teams from the higher division. The winners end up in the higher division the lower teams drop to the lower division. This means that by the second season you shouldn't have the pro-team, clan league, bsg league distinctions. They might generally be true, but you will have teams that are in a particular division not league restrictions. The reason we want to get away from league restrictions is because it encourages players to smurf in various forms (either loss tanking or not laddering on SEA). If a team dominates in season one they will get a chance in the playoffs to be promoted into the higher division where they can play against better opponents and have the chance of a cash prize.

This is a rough analogy, but in the end I think this should be considered a bit like Code S and Code A for the GSL. Everyone wants to be in Code S, but you have to earn your way there. A team could start in the bottom division at the beginning of next year and then over a couple of seasons work their way up as a team to the top division where they get the chance to try and take down the recognisable names on SEA. The only thing that may put people off of this format would be that individual teams would have to have rosters that stay generally the same between seasons. They may be able to 'pick-up' one or two new players in the next season, but if it was a majority of new player is would have to be considered a new team and seeded accordingly. This is different from a team that has a majority of players who are still the same, but have all be promoted on the SEA ladder. They advance based on performance in the previous season/playoffs.

Hope this wall of text is not too confusing, and directs people away from thinking about this as 3 clan leagues smashed together.

[inFeZa]

We'll take PiG

(and chadmann)

[iSt]

cool. gonna be epic.

[Zealo]

the most important thing is that frogmite runs it, as everything he does is awesome

Quick Comments

Frogmite:

i can't explain why i like what you say

[SungInSPR]

korean pros are allowed to play? e.g : yCh or soulman

[cRSenSei]

Run event like WGTour CL, profit.

[deL]

Originally Posted by SungInSPR

korean pros are allowed to play? e.g : yCh or soulman

I would say yes to soulman, no to kingkong because he is already in the team ST.

[ToRDeathsFang]

what about tiger, because he's in ST as well?

[SungInSPR]

Originally Posted by TAdeL

I would say yes to soulman, no to kingkong because he is already in the team ST.

then TA cant send out their pros? e.g) rossi ,edge

Quick Comments

TAEdgE:

thanks for considering me a pro

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by SungInSPR

then TA cant send out their pros? e.g) rossi ,edge

correct it would be very likely that Arch MSI would enter division 1 and Rossi, Rossi etc would then in ineligible to play for TA in the other divisions (or a Division 1 TA team)

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nirvAnA:

yeap thats right

[deL]

Originally Posted by SungInSPR

then TA cant send out their pros? e.g) rossi ,edge

It's not even remotely the same, but that depends if they will play in arcMSI. It's also about the precedent.

[nirvAnA]

Update: Had a discussion with frogmite and here is some updated information. There will be a limit of 8 teams per division. There will be four divisions, tier 1 teams will be invited. In the event that more than 8 teams apply for the other divisions, applications will be accepted based on clan activity and leadership ability, so the league runs smoothly. Format will probably be 5 sets of 1v1s, best of 3 and promotion/demotion will only be for the Tier1/Tier2 level. i.e No tier 2 team can get demoted, but winner plays in the "pro-league" next season. More details will be released after hearing feedback from other admins and am also still awaiting confirmation if they can run the league but this is what we have in mind at the moment.

Frogmite will make an official news post soon so stay tuned.

Duration: 2 months, every Saturday.

Tier 1

• By invite
• Prizes: $$
• Admins: crAzerk, BakaInu

Tier 2

• Masters / GM, chosen by application
• Froggies great idea - This league was made specially for the GM/masters clans like EVE, IRL lGd who would crush all the non pro teams but lose to the pro teams.
• The best place for up and coming players to develop and make a name for themselves
• Prizes: SC2 Kr Accounts / Coaching
• Admins: Eddie, XanT

Tier 3

• Diamond and below restriction
• Prize: TGM subscriptions
• Admins: Erasmus,

Tier 4

• Gold and below restriction
• Prize: TGM subscriptions
• Admins: Maynade, Frogmite

FA Cup:

• Open to every team in the league
• Prize: $$
• Semi Finals / Finals: best of 7

Tier 1 example: These are the invited teams and an example of what i expect the tier1 league to look like. You can't represent your clan and your team so players have to choose which they want to represent. These are the names i can think off from the top of my head

xGking - mafia, jazbas, iaguz, light + ngen
TArcMSI - rossi, deth, voices, pinder + TA
SQLT - ninja, hut, sensei, infeza, yaaaang
inFi - targa, iceiceice, rev, muse, roz, jinx
aLt - pig, jimdiddy, nirvana, shortizz, mrfool, yoonyj, bielsko, han, souj, dementia
Mski - enderr, jabito, waningmoon, pobbes
MiTH - redarchon, maya, fah, jump
SPR - soulman, sungin, soonhee, master, rapz

Still uncertain on what to do with glade/tgun but we definitely want them playing in this league. I was thinking of letting them join MiTH or Mski for season 1 to even the field, but there probably is a more refined solution.

Quick Comments

TCPLemminks:

agreed with format

[VB_WhiplashJC]

So how does this avoid the issue of smurfing? I thought the idea was to have teams from each clan which don't change and are then seeded based on league distribution and promoted/relegate based on results. What you've posted looks the same for tier 3 and 4 as last season.

Also can there be clear requirements for what admins have to do (eg each week's thread more than two days before the games, full results posting and updated tables, keep track of rosters, start the fist game to avoid counter-advantage) .

There needs to be better dealing with walkovers (it shouldn't be advantageous to get a walkover compared to getting all-killed).

[deL]

Looks good nirvAnA, except that xGKing for some reason gets nGen players in it but other teams can't? Could all of TA just play under arcMSI like xG are doing?

[nirvAnA]

Originally Posted by TAdeL

Looks good nirvAnA, except that xGKing for some reason gets nGen players in it but other teams can't? Could all of TA just play under arcMSI like xG are doing?

Yes they can, thats what i wrote! Because pro-teams atm do not have enough players i feel its necessary to make concessions for some teams so they can compete and at the same time represent their sponsor with a little help from clans they are affiliated with.

TArcMSI - rossi, deth, voices, pinder + TA

Obviously names submitted for TArcMSI can't play for the TA team in Tier 2 GM/Masters division as well so you gotta pick players carefully.

Whiplash its hard to completely eliminate smurfing. To help prevent it we are no longer using an "All Kill format" but 5 series of 1v1s. There is now also a more even spread of divisions so "smurfs" will not have to resort to smurfing to play in competitions to have some fun since they have their own league now.

Yes its impossible to eliminate smurfing completely but we believe these measures will help reduce this. For the next season I might be using a result submission system where team leaders have to submit the results / scores. This makes it alot easier for admins to manage, a lot of the time the scores are not updated because its hard for admins to get them from the team leaders.

[ProAnnn]

When do application starts? Impatient people like me hehe.

[nirvAnA]

Frogmite will make a news post when everything is finalised. Probably in a weeks time

[VB_Rhuubarb]

Any rules on what happens to masters players on teams with no other masters players in it? Would it be possible to have maybe a 1 master player limit in teir 3, or is it just an unfortunate situation for those players?

[Frogmite]

Smurfing can't be avoided, but setting a BO5 single 1v1 will reduce the impact of smurfing players as they can only win one game.
For Tier 3 and 4 we will also ask the players id and cc on NA and make a restriction of 1v1 ranking on both servers, (for example for BSGCL, Platinum players on NA will be accepted)

Walkovers will be described in the rules section. What i was thinking is to make walkovers 3-0 and all-kills 5-0. Still subject to change.

Originally Posted by VB_Rhuubarb

Any rules on what happens to masters players on teams with no other masters players in it? Would it be possible to have maybe a 1 master player limit in teir 3, or is it just an unfortunate situation for those players?

If the team have one master then the rest of players being PD or BSG, then this player will have to play for another clan for the seacl season if he is still interested to play. If the rest of the players are diamond then you can still register for the tier 2 at your own risks. If he purposely lose games to be demoted to play the PD, we'll spot it and he'll be banned from the competition. It sounds a bit harsh and unfair, but it's more fair for the rest of the teams.

[deL]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Yes they can, thats what i wrote!

Sorry I saw it before the edit!