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Unread Thu, 17th-Nov-2011, 10:51 PM BnetId: TADivinity.650  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 332 # 1
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I havent read everything because im cbf, but this tool is OKAY in my opinion.

I used the same on my laptop with an interval timer when I was in lower levels.
The BEST thing I got out of it was realising how often you really have to be injecting!! That realisation is fantastic for newer players, and it definately got me to a decentish point with my injects today.

By the way, its 31 seconds. Trust me. 31 - given you wait a second or two for that first inject when youre queen pops - so that you can instantly inject each time.

Also, IMO it helps to have this on another computer to use one click on a laptop-clicker (i.e. doesnt move) to stop the clock, and hit the spacebar to restart. Quick and easy, no alt tabbing.

EDIT: Im going to add in that it IS possible for you to get into a habit of opening it etc before you play. Personally I stopped because one day I wanted to see how much I had picked up after having it ring in my ear for a week of consistent gaming or so.

If you find it is helpful and decide to use it, understand that it will do way more harm than good if you become addicted to using it, and quite frankly once you make a higher level (even SEA masters) it will actually just slow you down having to either take your hand off the keyboard or mouse to stop/start it - or having to alt/tab.

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Unread Fri, 18th-Nov-2011, 6:50 AM BnetId: DeekZ 111  Race: Clan: mGG  Location: Perth, Australia  Total Posts Made: 56 # 2
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This is cool, gonna give it a shot next time I'm playing zerg. Can you change the keybind to start/reset it? Shift-Z is what I use to quick mute skype which I practically am always using when I'm on Starcraft.
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Unread Fri, 18th-Nov-2011, 8:35 AM BnetId: Highlander.869  Race: Location: Brisbane, Australia  Total Posts Made: 81 # 3
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I want a 31s egg timer.
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Unread Fri, 18th-Nov-2011, 1:45 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: Dox.792  Race: Location: Brisbane  Total Posts Made: 2,980 # 4
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I'm surprised there's so much discussion on this. For newer or lower ranked Zerg players, this can be a handy tool to help you develop a habit. But as you develop, this becomes more of a hindrance than anything, for two reasons:

1) Past the 8 minute mark, you're often forced to delay your inject by a few seconds because something more important is happening. So it will fall so far out of sync

2) I'd say most Masters+ Zergs have already played enough games to have the inject timing drilled into their subconscious. More often than not, you'll see the player select their queen at around ~23 energy and start hammering the V key, just in time to inject as the larvae come flying out of the Hatchery.

Most people have their own mechanical queues in place anyway, whether it be via a logic train or otherwise. I think the general flow for most Zerg players every 25 seconds is: scout opponent -> make units -> inject -> spread creep -> rinse, repeat.

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Unread Fri, 18th-Nov-2011, 1:47 PM BnetId: Bugalugs.283  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 512 # 5
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Inject then make units. >.<
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Unread Fri, 18th-Nov-2011, 1:48 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: Dox.792  Race: Location: Brisbane  Total Posts Made: 2,980 # 6
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Actually that reminds me - at WCG 2001, there was a Brood War player who was banned from listening to his Walkman because he listened to a single song on repeat which he relied upon for audio cues.

I can't remember who it was, all I remember is that he was from clan DAG.
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Unread Fri, 18th-Nov-2011, 3:59 PM BnetId: Hybrid 397  Race: Location: Molong  Total Posts Made: 53 # 7
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wow i think i may give this a go, This will be a usefull training program to get me synched with injects!
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Unread Sat, 19th-Nov-2011, 2:30 AM Who's Who:   Race: Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,638 # 8
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Just an update; they've made a Terran and Protoss version of the timer It essentially does the same thing just has a different artwork and a different default time.
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Unread Sun, 20th-Nov-2011, 11:00 PM BnetId: cR.kez772 (NA)  Race: Clan: cR/TA  Location: Melbourne, Australia  Total Posts Made: 966 # 9
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I actually have a program like this except it has a seperate timer for creep spreading as well. It gets kinda annoying n stuff tho so i turned it off and my injects are like clockwork hehe .

That being said, I dont think you can have shades of grey, you should either have it allowed in tournaments or not allowed full stop, not have it "aimed at lesser players" and then say "oh but pros in t ourneys" cant use it because its like a cheat then say "It's a stopwatch. It's not synced to the game or reliant on anything from SC2. You could use it to time when you need to check on something in the oven. SC2gears comes WAY closer to breaching the terms and conds but is considered to be fine and used by many".

I think you need to pick 1 or the other but not a lil of both. That being said, you could easy get away with it just on ladder and it would be a good practice tool
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Unread Sun, 20th-Nov-2011, 11:12 PM BnetId: Fullstop.283  Race: Clan: sR  Location: Hong Kong  Total Posts Made: 358 # 10
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Nice program. It will help players for sure. I prefer to just keep practicing rather than relying on a timer though.
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Nov-2011, 6:46 PM BnetId: mrGRAPE.376428  Race: Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 7 # 11
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It's kind of a useful tool in practice just to get the rhythm of doing larva injects once in a while, but once you miss a couple of injects it gets a little confusing to hear the beep and then go back to see that it's still birthing larva.

What you want to be cultivating is not plain relying on the program to tell you when to larvae inject. You want to be able to do it yourself by constantly checking either 1) your hatcheries 2) your queen and then allowing the program to remind you let's say like in the middle of a battle / drop / when you're busy then you can go "oh snap! gotta larva inject".

If you have your hatcheries grouped up all in one hot key like I do, you can just use the base cam to check the progress and then go back to what ever you were doing. Only takes a split second =)
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