[SanG]

Originally Posted by TargA

nirvana, how about you stop defending this **** and instead get him banned from all tournaments?

He has other trends in his play as well, everytime he is about to pull scvs he sends them to opponents main mineral line, and then has his camera there for a few seconds.

His micro is absolutely trash, his decision making is the sickest thing in the world and his macro is ******* bad. His multi tasking is ******* bad.

Its so goddamn obvious that i actually feel sad for your nirvana.

edit: and getting me infracted for this post will not do you good.

EDIT: nevermind

[Rage]

i don't even respond to my wife's questions right next to my ear when I'm playing starcraft, I can't imagine what would make me alt tab to respond to a facebook message of all things.

that shit can wait for between games.

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by Rage

i don't even respond to my wife's questions right next to my ear when I'm playing starcraft, I can't imagine what would make me alt tab to respond to a facebook message of all things.

that shit can wait for between games.

It's called being whipped.

[nirvAnA]

To TargA: Its not about me mindlessly defending him. I just want fair treatment to be given, especially since this is a high profile case and if hes innocent, people are making a very very big mistake. I am not going to mindlessly follow the crowd, i will look at the evidence and make up my opinion from there, and i hope everyone does the same. I was the exact same way with fadeevets too and i did not know the guy at all, but initially insisted onr more evidence to be brought fourth first, and thank god he was caught hacking. as mentioned if he was found caught, he will be banned from everything, titles stripped, etc. don't understand how some can judge him as guilty when there isn't any concrete evidence.

My analysis of chobo vs Peleus (ladder game 15 mins before masters cup)

The only game I've seen so far is the Peleus game as mafia brought that to my attention. I did not see anything suspicious at all. After watching it i was sure he did NOT hack, at least not in that game. Then i saw the biggun post and was convinced something was up and he did hack, then i saw the UHF post which actually showed the correct log.

First 2 hellions - they scout/poke and do unexpected damage because peleus has no units. he doesn't rally his next 2 hellions even tho Peleus has virtually 0 defence and 4 hellions could have done way more damage. isnt aware of the roach all in and only starts bunker instantly after seeing the roaches spawn at Peleus's base.

11min + - Attacks zerg base. Doesn't know zerg has so many lings / banelings. Doesn't spread marines, or lift them with medivacs and his army gets facepalm rolled.

12min - Peleus moprhs 4-5 banelings and sends it up chobo's ramp. Chobo literally does not budge. Just before the last baneling dies, he stims all his marines and moves back, a very common panic reaction that means he just noticied what was happening, and way too late then optimal.

15min - viking goes straight to overlord at top right then rallied downwards. This is what all good terran players do? Where else can they go on that map? Apparently theres something he does differently in the other games and hence its suspect, for me it looked very natural so Rossi can u post more information on that?

18min - viking goes back up to that similar top right spot and with the same rally, only just a bit higher as he noticed there was an unscouted part of his map, something which map hackers do not have? the major thing here is THERE IS NO OVERLORD there. if hes metagaming hacking in a random ladder game he thinks no1 will ever upload he has got it down to a fine art. also why even bother with sensor towers?

Many times he goes to the zerg's third / fourth - thinking theres a base but there is nothing there.

The suspect things i would mention is he does not control watch tower often. his armies move very fearlessly like he always knows when its safe to move out and engage. apart from that in this replay i cant see anything else suspicious.

now strafe get off your ass and post the replays you have!

[Loach]

I also atl-tab during games to talk to ppl on msn, fb chat, skype, stream chat. I don't see how it's that unbelievable...

[ToRSpookToR]

i respond to facebook all the time when playing it isnt that odd for me anyway

Quick Comments

	TAEdgE:	you know you are gonna lose the game you are in though so no point paying attention
	Strafe:	I actually want to add to Edge reputation for his rep

[TargA]

and this guy was known as yamama.. : ) the most obvious hacker in the history of time.

I dont know if he uploaded the game vs me on ohana, but people should give that a watch!

[iM MaFia]

Toast did you watch enderr vs chobo with my anaylsis?

I spent a very long time doing it, was up till 5am last night if you watch it intently you will understand

Quick Comments

	MrToast:	Only watched this game so far since Rossi was so sure he was hacking. I will take a look at that game now.
	nirvAnA:	Your analysis was fantastic. Need more of those :)
	Dox:	these smileys aren't happy enough, EAT HAPPY FACEEEEEE

[iM MaFia]

I'd really like to see more ppl especially the players who understand the game at a higher level ppl like PiG tgun etc just a few to name for example watch the replay on OHANA Enderr vs Chobo and stop at all those time frame points in my analysis and explain to me why he would do such things without a maphack

Because no one has really watched the replay thoroughly and commented on it except iaguz and I dont want to be snooping through more replays, (it takes a hell lot of effort) until I get some responses. I honestly believe there is enough evidence in this one replay let alone all the others

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mGGDaedalus:

yes, more high level analysis plz. too much clutter in this thread

[nirvAnA]

As most people have said the evidence isn't conclusive. What this thread needs is more analysis so why not focus the efforts on that? If he is indeed hacking he will be caught like evets was and the case is closed.

chobo vs inori 25 min game
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do...load=1&blind=1

chobo vs nestea 23 min game
http://drop.sc/185841

chobo vs colganzi 27 min game
http://drop.sc/150202

chobo vs moonglade 15 min game
http://drop.sc/176751

chobo vs ROOTfitzy 33 min game
http://drop.sc/185830

[SanG]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

As most people have said the evidence isn't conclusive. What this thread needs is more analysis so why not focus the efforts on that? If he is indeed hacking he will be caught like evets was and the case is closed.

chobo vs inori 25 min game
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do...load=1&blind=1

chobo vs nestea 23 min game
http://drop.sc/185841

chobo vs colganzi 27 min game
http://drop.sc/150202

chobo vs moonglade 15 min game
http://drop.sc/176751

chobo vs ROOTfitzy 33 min game
http://drop.sc/185830

Pretty sure that nestea is a fake protoss nestea in NA

Quick Comments

Zealo:

does it matter if it's fake nestea or real nestea?

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

As most people have said the evidence isn't conclusive. What this thread needs is more analysis so why not focus the efforts on that? If he is indeed hacking he will be caught like evets was and the case is closed.

chobo vs inori 25 min game
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do...load=1&blind=1

chobo vs nestea 23 min game
http://drop.sc/185841

chobo vs colganzi 27 min game
http://drop.sc/150202

chobo vs moonglade 15 min game
http://drop.sc/176751

chobo vs ROOTfitzy 33 min game
http://drop.sc/185830

sorry but these reps were uploaded by himself, like you said if he was really hacking would be be that quick to upload a replay pack of himself?

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nirvAnA:

Yes, he did the same with masters cup. Theres no replay requirement

[CHoBo(kice)]

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

sorry but these reps were uploaded by himself, like you said if he was really hacking would be be that quick to upload a replay pack of himself?

uploaded by me or someone else... what difference does it make. it is games played

[ROCCAT_Savior]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

uploaded by me or someone else... what difference does it make. it is games played

You're unlikely to upload games where you were maphacking, unless you had too (ie. masters cup)

Quick Comments

	jayaiwhy:	doesn't that mean he is a gosu beating those players?
	CHoBo(kice):	i uploaded regardless, missed one but that was mistake uploaded it as soon as someone mentioned
	SmirkToT:	are you the guy who always 6pool?

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

Wow I knew the guys from cR were hatin' coz I didn't join their team because of commitments... but this is just wow... makes me feel disgusted..

Mate, we aren't even involved - you were recommended to me (because you have a good ladder record and take games off top players) but after I hear that you were a bit sus (4 months ago) I backed out of any involvement with you for our team - I'm not hating.. I'm just glad I didn't walk into this land mine of hackusations. So please don't drag cR into this at all. Someone that simply says they don't play the game, don't go to LANs and don't want involvement in a team - then all of a sudden pop up and start beating players that play full time - it's surprising and even suss..

Regardless, I don't have the time to go through all the replays, so I won't weigh in on the debate, just want to dispell any myths that cR are targeting you for not joining our team, because the fact is - if you asked me two weeks ago to join - I would has said "no, mate"

anyway, good job to the guys getting the evidence for this.

[CHoBo(kice)]

no no chadman... I did not want part of a team due to commitments.... so i kindly refused the offer.... which was from edge intially

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TAEdgE:

pretty sure we handled it respectfully then too

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

no no chadman... I did not want part of a team due to commitments.... so i kindly refused the offer.... which was from edge intially

Noone cares about this. Please start responding to the analysis that people have written so that a judgement can be made.

Quick Comments

	TAEdgE:	nothing wrong with clearing this up if chad makes a lengthy post like that
	ROCCAT_Savior:
	Bash:	edge is right, notihng wrong with him clearing it up when asked, neither post on that issue belongs in this thread.

[TargA]

I posted this in the TA chat, I guess I can post it here as well.

Right now there are 3 types of people defending chobo,

1. people from perth
2. nirvana
3. people that dislike me

What do they all have in common? They ____ at starcraft 2. ( fill in the blanks yo)

Quick Comments

	Spud:	haaha
	jayaiwhy:	no.
	Stallion:	cool down
	MrToast:	Just because you are better at Starcraft doesn't make it any more right to accuse someone of hacking with ZERO solid evidence.
	Strafe:	Never knew I was from Perth. See what I did here?
	ToRSpartaz:	Those people are "Good" are Sc sir

[CHoBo(kice)]

Originally Posted by TargA

I posted this in the TA chat, I guess I can post it here as well.

Right now there are 3 types of people defending chobo,

1. people from perth
2. nirvana
3. people that dislike me

What do they all have in common? They ____ at starcraft 2. ( fill in the blanks yo)

You know what because your wrong...

tgun is neutral and unbiased on the matter and he's by far my biggest hater of my cheeses. that is why I still respect him... despite joking that he hates my guts..

[ROOTPetraeus]

Originally Posted by TargA

I posted this in the TA chat, I guess I can post it here as well.

Right now there are 3 types of people defending chobo,

1. people from perth
2. nirvana
3. people that dislike me

What do they all have in common? They ____ at starcraft 2. ( fill in the blanks yo)

What the hell are you talking about? No one is defending anyone. And trying to make comparisons like that is ridiculous.
Thankfully, the majority of people posting here have valid points and arguments. Making posts like yours regardless of whether they are serious or not isn't helping the situation.

Quick Comments

	Strafe:
	nirvAnA:
	CHoBo(kice):	ty sir