[wTlzq]

Need more replays definitely since there are people vouching for him

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by Zanderax

2) The overlord thing did seem a bit suspect but vsing Terran you don't want to fly your first OL into his base for fear of losing it. He was keeping it there to scout later.

How did he know the base was even there? you want to send in the overlord until you see something like a CC and quickly turn it. The point is to scout spawn locations which he never does.

[NvRossi]

Definitly a hacker, too many suss unit movements, too little scouting, all points made in the original post i agree with.
the spores are a dead giveaway

[Nemo]

Who is Empirical ? He has a clan ?

Iaguz, can you post the replay please ? Even if it's not map hacking it's interesting especially as you're too. Anymore replays, hack or not would be useful.

[ROOT`iaguz]

Played a game vs him earlier today. Didn't feel like he'd done anything particularly sneaky or anything.

[xGKingdelete]

can't find any explanation of how he knew your spawn at the start of the game. need more replays of this guy

[crAzerk]

3:40 - Deflects OL before scouting base. ?? Why would he do that?
maybe he judges you are spawned there by the timing of your SCV scout? (and assuming you went anticlockwise)

5:14 - Sends his scouting ling up Terran's ramp (before even scouting spawn position) Does not have a waypoint away, so he seems to assume you're spawned there. Suspicious
5:20 - Loses ling to 2 hellions moving out, could have saved that easily if he was watching (IF he had MH)

8:00 - He does get vision of your (early) Starport BUT he doesn't actually look at it. Not sure what's up, but 1 precautionary spore at each base is nothing that suspicious, especially after that opener, Shortizz used to do exactly the same thing as I've mentioned before.

9:43 - Banshees are skirting around to come in from the south, but he is moving his queens towards the injured Spore. Very natural reaction and if he had maphack he would do otherwise (and instead prepare and move towards the south)

10:30 Loses about 10 lings to your Hellions before pulling it away. If he had maphack and looked at the minimap he would surely have noticed it earlier

12:00 - Crashes a Baneling into Destructible Rocks likeaboss.
Also do note that his Mutalisk following your Banshee DOES catch sight of your Thor and he DOES look at it.
After seeing that, he makes 7 Roaches. Perfectly natural.

12:23 - Glances into Fog at a blank spot, not sure what that was about

14:20 - Morphs Banelings as Terran is moving out. Slightly sus as he was doing nothing for a good 10-20 seconds besides looking at his Roaches, he could be eyeing the minimap and caught sight of that.
Nevertheless, could just be lucky timing too, as he did get supply blocked so he couldn't make other things anyway.

17:00 - Moves out and hits when Terran's Thors are clearing rocks.
Think about it - he just cleared up your Hellion /Thor push quite comfortably with his Roach force, and he quickly almost remaxxes. Surely it's not a bad idea to move out and test the Terran's defence?
I wouldn't count this as suspicious

20:30 - Banshee hits 4th base, he only reacts after the Banshee hits. Normal.

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Conclusion - Suspicious, but definitely nowhere near conclusive. It wasn't even a consistent display of maphack as I have highlighted in the numerous other NON-maphack examples. But some of the actions are indeed really weird, such as his 'guessing' of your spawn location. Need more replays.
I hesitate to put him on 'Suspected', just because of how inconsistent it is. If an admin thinks otherwise, you can overrule me and edit the OP

EDIT: Moving him to Suspected due to subsequent posts

Quick Comments

wTlzq:

fantastic analysis

[Nemo]

I've analyzed the 3 replays tonight on stream and here is the vid: http://www.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/312421436

My conclusion is he map hacked in the game against Muse but not the 2 others against Hithenbottom. Why he hacked in a game and not in the others, I don't know. It's not the first time we see this as Ghost for example was clearly switching from MH to no MH.

Game 1 Analysis summary

• 3:40 - Deflects OL before scouting base. Evidence of Map Hack. He's then sending another overlord between the base of Muse and his without knowing where is the base.
• No drone scout in this game, drone scout in game 2 (was perhaps after game 3 in fact) and no drone scout game 3. Nothing conclusive.
• Scouting 1 ramp only with zergling on a 4 player map ?
• 0 scouting, neither XelNaga at any point of the game, never took the Xelnaga. While he was permanently scouting with glings in game 2.
• No precaution spores in game 2 while he puts 2 in game 1. So it's not a habit for him to do that.
• A-clicking enemy base with Roaches without even scouting if there are some tanks in the natural
• Attack the natural assuming there is no 3rd (no scouting) (and there was no 3rd)

And a lot of small things like that.

As I said, for me, it's Maphack and this game is enough evidence for that. It is now necessary to have other opinions on the subject. Please read and watch all the analysis done before and give your opinions.
Other replays should be interesting too. I will watch yours tomorrow Lyfe. If we have a lot of replays an no other shows MH, then might call it insane luck I guess.

[Nemo]

Crazerk, if I'm not mistaken, you forgot MeLo on the list, didn't you ?

[crAzerk]

Who's that Nemo? Could you link me the post (s) that analyzes his replays?

Anyway, received an anonymous tip, here are two more replays of Empirical. I dont' have time to review these two today, can someone have a look?
(The replay system appears to be bugged, it says it's Shortizz but once you load up you'll see it's Empirical)
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=617
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=616

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

Who's that Nemo? Could you link me the post (s) that analyzes his replays?

Anyway, received an anonymous tip, here are two more replays of Empirical. I dont' have time to review these two today, can someone have a look?
(The replay system appears to be bugged, it says it's Shortizz but once you load up you'll see it's Empirical)
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=617
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=616

He's not hacking in either of those replays. It is useful however to see the contrast between how he plays in those games vs the replay supplied. For example, in the Korhal Compound game he is constantly going for watch towers and placing overlords around the map to spot for drops, in the supplied replay he was never scouting anywhere near as much.

[Lyfe]

RE: empirical, played him around 7pm last night, didnt seem to be hacking from what i can tell. couple suspect positional things/scouting things but nothing i would call anyone out for.

http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=619

[Nemo]

Deth vs Empirical

Originally Posted by Lyfe

RE: empirical, played him around 7pm last night, didnt seem to be hacking from what i can tell. couple suspect positional things/scouting things but nothing i would call anyone out for.

http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=619

I watched the replay and made the analysis here : http://www.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/312807695

Summary

• No scouting but taken by surprise at every deth move who abused dropping and just punished him for not scouting on a close air position
• No Overlord scouting, no zergling scouting, no Watchtower control that could still give information even if not between the bases

My conclusion is that he hasn't hacked on that game. Hard to conlude anything about it because the absolute lack of scouting can be seen in 2 ways:

• He has not the habit of scouting in this game either without hacking, so that could lower the suspicion on the Muse game
• Not having the habit of scouting as level is suspect of having the habit of Map Hacking

Another game where he doesn't make any "precaution" spore crawler. That increase the suspicion on those in the Muse game. Also this time, he drone scouted.

Iaguz vs Empirical
Then I watched Iaguz game there : http://www.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/312809236
Same analyze for that game, no scouting and punished heavily because he never see things coming. Again, no preventive spore crawlers in this game. He hasn't hacked in this game in my opinion.

I'm still convince that he hacked in that Muse game but he has not in any other one (he lost the 4 others). So well, the fact that I can see heavy difference between the Muse game and the others tells me that it was in fact Hacking. But the fact that on 5 games there is only one that is suspicious might just be insane luck on that game. I don't believe in the latter but well, for the moment we might give him the advantage of the doubt maybe.

Quick Comments

	neon:	love your work!
	NvRossi:	i agree with your analysis!

[Nemo]

There : http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=367 Timber replay
and http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=377

Rossi reviewed it :http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=374

EveSnow: http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=379

Champi : http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=390

After those 3 comments, I haven't watched it myself but I can if you want.

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I will watch all those about Empirical tonight when back home (in 6 hours).

[Champi]

i played empirical 2 days ago on cloud kingdom and the only unusual thing he did was make 6 lings instead of 4 and ignored my pylon block at his nat and ran them straight to my natural wall which he seemed to know wasnt fully blocked off yet

not something i can call due to hacking though, i never checked the replay passed that point so i couldnt analyse his player cam or anything and unfortunately i dont have that replay anymore, but from watching Muses game i'd say its quite likely he's hacking

Quick Comments

nGenLight:

mate they usually have an overlord that are staring right at ur wall on cloud kingdom u know

[aLtShortizz]

This guy was my student, he payed me 50 bucks and i coached him countless hour without charging futher. I originally met him on NA(Nick: Destroyer), one week ago he PM-ed me on skype(Daniel Richards) that his account was locked/suspended and asked to borrow an account to play. I loaned him one of my accounts(i had 3) and told he to do a name change which became Emprical because he was very polite about it. Reason why that account's MMR is so high is prob becos i finished really high in GM couple of seasons back, i still play a couple of games on it from time to time.

I watched the replay and have a fair few suspicions, but it would be too soon to judge him. One thing which is obvious though is that i dont think hes at the level where he can beat muse yet, hes good but not that good, maybe around mid masters on NA. In any case, i have since changed the password to this account and id like to personally apologize to Muse or anyone that might have been offended by this.

If anyone needs his skype, feel free to ask for it.

[mGMUSE]

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

This guy was my student, he payed me 50 bucks and i coached him countless hour without charging futher. I originally met him on NA(Nick: Destroyer), one week ago he PM-ed me on skype(Daniel Richards) that his account was locked/suspended and asked to borrow an account to play. I loaned him one of my accounts(i had 3) and told he to do a name change which became Emprical because he was very polite about it. Reason why that account's MMR is so high is prob becos i finished really high in GM couple of seasons back, i still play a couple of games on it from time to time.

I watched the replay and have a fair few suspicions, but it would be too soon to judge him. One thing which is obvious though is that i dont think hes at the level where he can beat muse yet, hes good but not that good, maybe around mid masters on NA. In any case, i have since changed the password to this account and id like to personally apologize to Muse or anyone that might have been offended by this.

If anyone needs his skype, feel free to ask for it.

If he's from NA, then it's kinda weird that he asked if I've quitted flash(at the start of the game). I haven't logged onto my Flashmuse account for months and even most regular australians havent heard of Flash...

[crAzerk]

@Shortizz If you could ask him to clarify his actions here it would be great.

Anyway, added MeLo and Empirical to Suspected Hacker List

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

@Shortizz If you could ask him to clarify his actions here it would be great.

Anyway, added MeLo and Empirical to Suspected Hacker List

I raged at him on Skype(Daniel.Richards92) and he has sinced blocked me, maybe u guys can try adding him and try baiting him to tell the truth?

@Muse, i met him on NA. Nv asked whr he is from but skype says NA.

[nirvAnA]

The replay system has a bit of an issue atm because it rmbs the bnet.id URL instead of the player name. THis is so when palyers name change their profile stays in tack. we will think of a way around that but for now those games "shortizz vs deth/iaguz/hitenbootm" are actually palyed by empirical