[Zealo]

how many SEA players are GM on NA server? i know most play mainly on korea and even then might not take ladder super seriously but i'm just wondering...

tgun, moonglade, chobo i know are, who else?

[mGGDaedalus]

Originally Posted by Zealo

how many SEA players are GM on NA server? i know most play mainly on korea and even then might not take ladder super seriously but i'm just wondering...

tgun, moonglade, chobo i know are, who else?

I've seen players like pig, iaguz, kjh etc in gm from time to time. Just depends what SEA players are actively laddering NA I guess

[Zealo]

considering player like ret can't get in i guess that shows SEA has some decent talent

[Champi]

i'm sad that i stopped playing often because i am never mentioned in lists anymore about SEA. Depressing and im sad now. i'm also intoxicated so i'm emo! T_T

- edge

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	breadfan:
	simon:	chin up slugger

[TARane]

i only really want to watch edge yang and rossi

[Dox]

In my opinion... our top guys are better than some (most?) of the highest regarded EU/NA players. Unfortunately we don't have the huge opportunities they have like IEM/MLG/NASL/Dreamhack/etc on a monthly basis, so our names are only in the spotlight once every 6 months, whereas theirs are always in the eyes of the community. That's where the wide perception of higher skill comes from.

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Flamga:

Couldnt agree more

[ToRSpartaz]

I have always thought of this idea quite highly. I do believe SEA produces some amazing and extraordinary players who may be already established or up and coming. Like in the sense of all of xG, aLt, glade, tgun and all of the ballers out there.

But really, the SEA players aren't really well known out there or recognised as they should be. I mean like irisAnother and irisFlaunt are both on NA and seriously dont get enough recognition as they should or even iaguz or Mafia who are Terran and Zerg gods ^^

I do think SEA does produce a lot of potential players, but its just that SEA can't accomodate for what they need as players AS WELL as Kr essentially. NA I don't rate as highly as Kr for practice and improvement. I could name probably 20-35 players in SEA atm who have the potential, ability and mentality to take GM places and really establish themselves as competitive players its just taking that next step in all honesty.

[cruxBsK]

I think something that others are missing is that the STREAM Quality (which we can't help) is poor over here, having said that though i do watch Iaguz play and enjoy his commentary while he plays the only thing that stops me from watching our sea pro's is the stream quality.

Just touching on what PiG was saying regarding getting the SEA name out there I think this can be achieved by playing Playhems KOTH top200 etc (for those that are GM on NA) and pending results etc maybe those players can get some interviews on streams etc get the word out that SEA is not a pack of scrubs but a pool of very talented players.

My 2c's

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PiG:

good points, oh but the lag though :(

[PiG]

Originally Posted by Zealo

considering player like ret can't get in i guess that shows SEA has some decent talent

No1 can get into gm after the season starts unless they play that ladder obsessively. They need to be the first person with the necessary mmr to go up, who happens to win a game, just as someone drops down.

It's a silly system where the league that holds the prestige is also one you need to be incredibly devoted to a set ladder to achieve. I have multiple NA accounts with GM mmr but it's so many gimicky all-ins that playing with lag is just so frustrating. KR might only be 30-50 less ping but it feels ALOT better for my connection. Not to mention I see players like ruff and combatex on the top of NA ladder which just makes it seem less and less worthwhile. Mafia, tgun, jazbas and glade are all players who could hold top 10 on NA GM if they were committed enough to laddering there. I think tgun actually is top 10 atm.

That being said, it is definitely a higher tier then our own GM ladder and therefore a good way to measure skill for sure. When me, glade and deth get gm on KR next season then we can laugh at NA :P.

[SmirkToT]

i like to watch kr crash chinese
since majority of chinese pros are protoss

+ Show +

protoss is skilless

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	Maynarde:	What
	breadfan:	1a = skill

[AusBox]

My biggest problem with the SEA server is population. I versed the same guy 4 times today. "Find match" is more like "Find Best of Three".

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

I have always thought of this idea quite highly. I do believe SEA produces some amazing and extraordinary players who may be already established or up and coming. Like in the sense of all of xG, aLt, glade, tgun and all of the ballers out there.

But really, the SEA players aren't really well known out there or recognised as they should be. I mean like irisAnother and irisFlaunt are both on NA and seriously dont get enough recognition as they should or even iaguz or Mafia who are Terran and Zerg gods ^^

I do think SEA does produce a lot of potential players, but its just that SEA can't accomodate for what they need as players AS WELL as Kr essentially. NA I don't rate as highly as Kr for practice and improvement. I could name probably 20-35 players in SEA atm who have the potential, ability and mentality to take GM places and really establish themselves as competitive players its just taking that next step in all honesty.

No offence but I think wrong fact.. irisAnother isn't gm and Flaunt kinda got GM when it was bugged..

anyways.

- How does SEA stack up to the rest of the world?
Top playesr on SEA server would definitely stack up with some of very top level foreign players and I can say would be about Code B~ level. Would be hard to get through Code A qualifiers but it would definitely possible. (I'm sure Glade will make it sooner or later and maybe others who go to Korea and try like tgun)

- As a top SEA player how do you rate yourself to other pros from different servers?
I can take games off very big name players like Sen or Idra (1-2 vs Sen, 1-1 vs Idra, 2-0 vs Major etc) but I can't say I'm better than them. Just that I know I can take games off them from time to time. Even Korean pros like MVPtails or oGsVINES I can take games off and I'm 99% sure that the other top SEA players eg. glade, pig, tgun, rossi, iaguz, mafia and etc can do this too


- Do you yourself favour watching streams from servers other than the SEA server? If so why?

I don't have particular favourite stream. I don't favour each one to another.


The only problem on SEA would be the population issue just like most of people here said. If we ladder on SEA, the skill difference between players we meet are huge. Like GM top 150~ish are SO much worse than top20 GM. But the story of this on other servers (NA/KR etc) is that there isn't much skill difference between high masters to the GMs. Sure the GMs might be better, but high masters can take 3~4 out of 10 games convincingly unlike SEA. There is just "more" good players on other servers but the skill difference between those good players from SEA to NA is non existence

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TAEdgE:

ooo sassy jazbas

[Benji]

I don't have particular favourite stream. I don't favour each one to another.

Oh... I see how it is T_T

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NvJazBas:

lol!! Ok I was actually wrong on my statement! (ACTUALLY). I think I watcn your stream 10x more than others lol