[cruxis]

Can this topic be closed or something? It's a endless circle of pass the blame.

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BaKaiNu:

Still serves as Dox's announcement post, and he hasn't complete the announcement.

[inFeZa]

This thread has taken the way of SC2SEA's usual behaviour to turn it into a train wreck that is absurdly off topic.

[iMSystem]

Originally Posted by Bakainu

Still serves as Dox's announcement post, and he hasn't complete the announcement.

Dox has the ability to post in a locked thread, I don't see the issue

[ToRSpookToR]

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	syfMiley:	smh
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[nirvAnA]

whoa there is a lot of misinformation in those above posts. If its someone feeding you a skewed perspective behind the scenes to instigate drama, I'll advise you to take caution from listening to him in the future. I'll try to keep this short and civil.

1. I do not run the whole SEA scene, neither am I responsible for every tournament in SEA

When there are big tournaments, my role usually is that of a facilitator. I help people who want to run tournaments by letting them use SC2SEA as a platform. I give tournament admins news posting permissions, or move their posts to news so they get more attention. I hand them avatars and color their names so their posts stand out more. I sometimes hand out achievement badges to players who win those tournaments to give incentive and increase participation. If organizers want to run stuff on sc2sea and aren't aware of the steps, I guide them through it and tell them what is needed first so its run well. Aka the smaller tournaments like BSGS, COs, KOFs, KOTHs upcoming "cheese tournament" etc.

The majority of the time it is all voluntary community work, there are many different tournaments going on every week and I'm comfortable with just "letting go" and letting them run their stuff. So usually that is where my involvement ends.

And for the big tournaments I am definitely not responsible for Format / Brackets / Admins / Tournament Dates / Conflicts, but help with all the minor stuff like news posts, avatars, and for e.g the sticky tournament you see on the right, which makes it easy for people to access.

Some examples would be Masters Cup, Eve Cup, APL, WCS and ACL.

Yes if I happen to know of a scheduling conflict I'll let the person know because having big tournaments that conflict is silly and helps nobody. However, common sense dictates that it is the tournament organiser who has the main responsibility to ensure his tournament does not conflict with anything, that his rules are air tight, map pool relevant etc. I don't see how I can even be held responsible.

2. Gigabyte tournament

Usually if its a big tournament, it deserves exposure but SC2SEA won't be actively involved. This tournament is different because of the magnitude of the prize pool and Tony needed it to be run well and asked for our help with the online portion of the event. SC2SEA will always support tournaments (especially big ones) although it takes considerable time and effort and why do I bother with all this? Because tournaments are great, it helps grow players, the scene, esports, etc and a well run tournament means there's a higher chance of the tournament re-occuring and magnifying the effect. Also if organizations approach me for something specific and it requires my time then yes, I can help them take care of it so they don't have to worry about anything.

So basically I was just handling the map pool, format and dates of the online qualifiers, and that is where my responsibility ends. I made it the point to avoid Masters Cup and Eve Cup on Sundays and also scheduled it to start early at 10am in case there would be tournaments held later on Saturdays, that way there would be time to run thosel. In Singapore thats 8am for me and note i normally sleep in on weekends and do not enjoy waking up at 7.30 am every Saturday for 3 weeks.

As with all the other big tournaments like Masters Cup, Eve Cup, APL, ACL I have no control over the LAN finals date, format, prizes and what not, as I said I'm just the facilitator. Of course I was communicating with Tony and told him that any conflict should be avoided and the one to look out for was the ACL LAN. I had informed Dox there will be a big event in early July and asked him several times when the ACL Sydney finals were going to be. He always said it wasn't confirmed/decided yet or perhaps he felt it was an ACL event so I wasn't privy to that information and chose not to share it. Many mods in our skype chat can attest to that. So i was unaware of the confirmed ACL date until the news post itself. Somewhere along the line Tony booked his venue (or perhaps he already booked it before he talked to me) and ACL booked their venue too (but neither announced it publicly when they did) so neither side knew of the dates and suddenly there were two conflicting dates.

3. FXO tournament

Unstable did talk to me, I told him what I knew, that all weekends were probably going to busy till July. I said the next 3 weekends were acl / gigabyte qualifiers, and there was eve cup #2 and masters cup to look out for as well on Sundays. I had seen the grayed out area in Dox's calender but had no idea it was a tournament of that magnitude. Like unstable said, it could have been anything, a showmatch, Nv invitational, qualifier etc. If it was labeled "massive tournament" (but that would totally give away the hype thread) or if Dox pmed me about it, then of course you could say it had "prior knowledge", but the fact is, I did not. Dox did not talk to me and the last I heard about his big upcoming tournament was what he posted in our staff chat group - that it was going to be a show match everyday for a month and the grayed out events were only over a weekend.

TLDR:

• I did not have "prior information" about ACL event dates or Dox's event.
• All of these are not even my tournaments to begin with, and dates are not decided by me.
• Announce tournament dates ASAP to avoid conflicts, do not keep other organizers in the dark. And when conflicts happen settle them privately.

IMO right now everyone should be focusing their efforts on ensuring this does not happen again instead of pointing fingers and looking for someone to blame. This thread here by Dox is a step in the right direction.

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=4867

And I do not like the insults fed from misinformation that were directed at me from Pandan, and would appreciate if you get your facts right before making such posts.

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	PiG:	Your patience never ceases to impress me
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[Unstable]

What the... How you can push this off to nirvana's fault is amazing.

For the record Nirvana did tell me to speak to Dox, I had already had the intention of speaking to him, however he was unavailable during the few days I had to finalize all my qualifiers.

I do my best to communicate with people however even via PM Dox has done nothing but avoid things and make snarky insulting remarks like "You're so unnaturally aggressive, it's bizarre. Next time I'll immediately find a computer terminal at the airport, sign in to skype and consult with you on this trivial matter. (y)"

Which again WASN'T what I was saying, which frankly if I haven't made clear it was his attitude in his post that was the issue I never will. This in my position has been 3 times that things could have been salvaged yet were not, There is only so much I can do. When someone is insulting/defensive 3 times in a row then its time to stop communicating with them as it is a waste of time.

As Del said, The FXOpen are major international events, I am trying to give SEA some exposure by SEA only qualifiers when it is very rare for tournaments to do so. Having no SEA qualifiers will frankly not have a big impact on our event but I do this because I started in SEA and I did what I can to organise things accordingly.

So going back to the "organisers should talk to each other" I did everything in my power to talk to all the organisers, it is not my or Dox's fault he wasn't available however his actions after the fact have been completely inappropriate he has been insulting/defensive each time when all I have ever said is "why did you act like this when there are more mature ways of going about it"

I have gone out of my way to work with people and everyone else I have ever worked with, GOMtv/EG/NASL/IPL/Benji/Nirvana/Del etc have always been a pleasure to work with and have always turned into mutually beneficial things. Yet from what I've been told by many, this is not the first time Dox has been difficult to deal with.

When organising tournaments and event's many people try to work with others to help the scene grow however when you do everything in your power and you cannot compromise NO ONE will ever put another tournament above their own, people will change dates because they can easily do so or they are worried they will be overshadowed. That's just how it is. One can also say that having multiple events on at the same time actually increases the quality of those tournaments because they are forced to compete, currently the consensus is to avoid everyone so we all share the viewers, but I ask you this if tournament A cant get 720p streaming but tournament B can't, why shouldn't tournament A get more viewers? they have put more effort into their Setup, That's how the world works. (this is of course a very simple example) It forces events to get better and put more effort in, other than just your basic "hey here's a tournament"

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	NDG.Stitch:
	dee:

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by BaKaiNu

I'm going to step in now, and say: MOVE IT TO PMs!

No one listens to you anymore BaKa.. should ban them all.

[Criven]

Without trying to come across like a douchebag this thread is sitting at the top of the lists all over the front page. Visitors new and old at any level of SEA scene knowledge can click on this and watch an announcement thread decline into a finger pointing circle-jerk.

I left SC2SEA out of my regular rotation after the last load of crap-salad got flung around with the whole "Nirvana vs TheWorld" Star-League bans, watching respected members of the scene talk shit just took the shine off the apple.

I came back after hearing about the mystery thread, considering the first one got me amped enough to get posting here in the first place I was stoked to have another crack at the puzzle.

Now its this. A handful of players and figureheads weighing in with some "feign-slander" fuelling what should be personal negotiations.

in short. Crap like this is slowly but surely turning what could be called one of the best E-Sport communities in the region into the same shit that graces each and every other VG community just by airing out the dirty laundry.

Take your gripes to the people responsible not to the open forums where more than ego is at stake.

TL;DR "****** relax ayyyyeeee"

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	syfChadMann:	yup
	Pandan:	Appreciate the sentiment, but my posts had nothing to do with 'ego', nor did tguns
	PiG:	Absolutely right
	xGKingdelete:
	ROOT`iaguz:	What an off topic post!

[Eddie]

Originally Posted by Dox

16 of Australia's best StarCraft 2 players will go head to head over the weekend of June 22nd - 24th, where they'll be battling it out online for over $4,500 in cash and prizes. I'm pleased to reveal the first 8 of these invited participants. The other 8 will be revealed very soon, along with the official event announcement. Keep an eye on the news for all the details.

Light (xG)
tgun (GoSu)
iaguz (xG)
yang
TargA (Mf)
Rossi (Nv)
SenSei (cR)
MaFia (iM)

Sounds great! There's definately a bunch of other guys who can match it with this lot, look forward to hearing who the last 8 are!

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xGKingdelete:

[Dox]

Wow... I've been offline since Thursday, just been checking in on my phone occasionally between flights and moving. This thread realllllly got out of hand.

I'm just gonna go ahead and highlight that my original "people really need to talk to eachother" comment was not a direct attack on Unstable or FXO - it was merely me echo'ing an ongoing series of sentiments lately. It seems that Unstable took it as a personal attack - this was certainly not my intent. I apologise for any offense that was taken by what I said. If you were to ask those who are more active in the SC2SEA community, you'll see that I'm constantly preaching to event organisers to get involved with oneanother. I certainly wasn't throwing my hands in the air and hopelessly demanding that people boycott FXO or anything like that. I'm really happy to see FXO including SEA players/qualifiers in their events and I also want to highlight that both myself & Unstable individually agreed to adjust our schedules to prevent an overlap before this shitstorm even started. Please stop attacking eachother over nothing, this is really disappointing.

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	ToRSpartaz:	Indeed
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	Maynarde:
	dee:	Disappointing the person who started it all takes the moral highground and gets repped for it

[ROOT`iaguz]

No! **** you dox ur a dickhead

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	iVnStinger:	Why does this guy^ get to curse at everyone and not get punished? hahaha
	Fourby:	^^ coz he has an axe and you dont.
	Dox:	if you weren't so hairy i'd kiss you

[iVnStinger]

Clearly this is getting nowhere. This is an announcement/hype thread, and it has turned into a silly argument over something in the past. Just let it go. So both tourneys clashed on the same dates, so what? Now you know, now you work together to fix it.

And I think Nirvana has enough on his plate already. I don't think he will have time to check if tourneys are clashing when he has a whole website to run. Not to mention he has a clan. Both requiring a lot of time and dedication. And let's not get into real life responsibilities. I don't think you can blame him for missing something small like tournaments falling on the same date.

Things like this happen. Don't argue. Just work together to fix it.

Edit: Sorry didn't read Dox's last post. Alrighty then, it's settled. Can I please know which 2 players it is then? Unless it really is Mafia and yaaaannngggg hehe

Edit: @Dox- Sorry again, pretty hard to find in the whole mess.

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Dox:

i'm confused http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p=98773&postcount=131

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

No! **** you dox ur a dickhead

Mate shut the **** up, you and your curls don't belong here, WHERE ARE YOU ON THE PICTURE? HUH SON?! HUH?!

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	Maynarde:	BEST STEP BACK YANG IN DA HIZZAUSE
	ToR.Arnor:	dont be bad because you live in Perth ;)
	ROOT`iaguz:	counter repping arnor, yang ain't getting personal (I think)

[ROOT`iaguz]

Mate I'm going to cut you.

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SanG:

lol

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

Mate I'm going to cut you.

With Mjolnirs Hammer?

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Asrathiel:

Mjolnir's hammer? The hammer has a hammer? :P

[ROOT`iaguz]

Yes

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