[CHoBo(kice)]

Originally Posted by AntiMetric

1) If Chobo could see what was waiting for him, why would he send his scvs halfway across before pulling them back?

2) I think 2 spines is definitely scary enough to give up the attack, if zerg pulls their drones and transfuses you won't be able to break that.

3) It's a good thing this video doesn't matter at all because LOL THAT FIRST VIKING VIDEO

Yes, rather than throw away a game and try go up a ramp with uncertainty. 2 spines queen... what if he had bane etc that I couldn't see. based on the double spine and queen he was read for this attack and who knows what more he could have why would i try force myself up a wall that's gonna lose the game.

So I did something which would look like something stupid in most peoples eyes.. go back and try to outmacro... which I did and won... pretty impressive game imo.

Quick Comments

	Pandan:	wat
	Snx.Mufasa:	vikings dood
	jayaiwhy:	didn't nestea or drg do something similar at MLG? Pulled all his drones when he 6pooled and pulled it back
	TAEdgE:	what the **** at the last line
	sRAnti:	Uh, you missed number 3. I wasn't backing you up, just refining one of Rossi's points
	x5.Revenant:	Pretty impressively big ego imo.
	neKo:	You said earlier that you wanted to show everybody that you can macro and still win

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

Yes, rather than throw away a game and try go up a ramp with uncertainty. 2 spines queen... what if he had bane etc that I couldn't see. based on the double spine and queen he was read for this attack and who knows what more he could have why would i try force myself up a wall that's gonna lose the game.

So I did something which would look like something stupid in most peoples eyes.. go back and try to outmacro... which I did and won... pretty impressive game imo.

Just for the record, Do You HacK?????

[CHoBo(kice)]

I cannot believe your still asking that question.

NO

I hate hackers myself!!!! >.>

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	Another:	thats what a hacker would say
	iVnStinger:	Though it's also what non-hackers would say too :/
	xGKingdelete:	good point stinger
	AxSGRiM:	emo lol jk

[iceiceice]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

I cannot believe your still asking that question.

NO

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[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

I cannot believe your still asking that question.

NO

I hate hackers myself!!!! >.>

OK then. I would like to hear your account/explanation of TWO situations.

Quote 1:

"Chobo looks into the main and then just randomly pauses for a moment with no actions at 5:30 as a baneling nest is being constructed and I also noted this was happening throughout many of the replays; a random pause with no actions. In sc2gears i looked throughout that time at his actions and there was no right click with his scvs on the mineral patches or anything, just a random look into the main and then natural."

Quote 2:

"Also, if you watch all of Chobo's TvZs he plays completely blind the whole game whenever the zerg goes infestors. Yet on the shakuras game when Mafia was morphing a greater spire he scans both the main and the natural. And on the Ohana game he also scans Mafia's main when he is building a spire. In all other games there were no scans and no scouting, and in all these games the zerg went infestors."

If you can clear up these two situations then it would clear up a lot of things.

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by TABiggun

OK then. I would like to hear your account/explanation of TWO situations.

Quote 1:

"Chobo looks into the main and then just randomly pauses for a moment with no actions at 5:30 as a baneling nest is being constructed and I also noted this was happening throughout many of the replays; a random pause with no actions. In sc2gears i looked throughout that time at his actions and there was no right click with his scvs on the mineral patches or anything, just a random look into the main and then natural."

Quote 2:

"Also, if you watch all of Chobo's TvZs he plays completely blind the whole game whenever the zerg goes infestors. Yet on the shakuras game when Mafia was morphing a greater spire he scans both the main and the natural. And on the Ohana game he also scans Mafia's main when he is building a spire. In all other games there were no scans and no scouting, and in all these games the zerg went infestors."

If you can clear up these two situations then it would clear up a lot of things.

Why is my post being ignored?

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	mGGDaedalus:
	CHoBo(kice):	I replied to this pages ago. pauses were because hay fever please go back and check

[jayaiwhy]

Originally Posted by TABiggun

Why is my post being ignored?

Your 2nd quote doesn't make much sense
He doesn't scan when the opponent is making infestors, but scans when he is making greater spire?

Infestor is the current metagame, and people scan greater spire so that they don't blindly make vikings?

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CHoBo(kice):

yep around 14-15 minute mark is the money timing for this

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by jayaiwhy

Your 2nd quote doesn't make much sense
He doesn't scan when the opponent is making infestors, but scans when he is making greater spire?

Infestor is the current metagame, and people scan greater spire so that they don't blindly make vikings?

the point biggun is trying to make (understand we have watched quite a few of his replays now) is that the only times he scans the opposing zergs bases are

1. when a spire is building
2. when the greater spire is building
(these are the only 2 cases and are timed while they buildings are actually being built, allowing for timely reactions)

there are no scans and therefore no preparation for mutas when it is still a point in the game where you are unsure of your opponents tech path. Blind luck or maybe he has a little extra help. I say that latter.

edit: if he wants to state his scans for the greater spire every game... its a lie because he did'nt.

Quick Comments

	CHoBo(kice):	uhhh really man? your proof getting better and better at making me laugh
	Peleus:	sarcastic comments don't address anything, if its wrong say why

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by jayaiwhy

Your 2nd quote doesn't make much sense
He doesn't scan when the opponent is making infestors, but scans when he is making greater spire?

Infestor is the current metagame, and people scan greater spire so that they don't blindly make vikings?

You need to read what I post and take it in. Take a little while to think about what I'm saying.

I was pointing out that in every TvZ, he never scouted at all or did any scans. Then, in the one replay where a spire was made he scans it. Also, in the one game that a greater spire was built, he scans until he sees the greater spire.

In no other games did he scan the mains and was playing completely blind. I was just pointing out that in the games he was playing blind, he didnt need to scan because the zerg was going infestors. But then when the zerg happened to be going spire, he would scan immediately.

How did he know?

Also, to the chobo comment "yep around 14-15 minute mark is the money timing for this"

Why didn't you scan at that timing in any other game?

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VB_Rhuubarb:

If you could compile a set of replays showing this, that would help your cause.

[FaDeEvetS]

Haven't looked at any replays or anything and thus have no comments on chobo specifically, but thought i'd write up some of the more advanced features of the maphack other than 'maphack', in order to help in checking people's legitimacy.

Production tab - obvious and just about everyone knows about this
There are auto start hacks, i.e. perfect splitting and instant first worker production...borderline useless

Macro:
Auto Worker production - Automatically creates scvs/probes, only overlapping the production times for a second.
Auto Chrono and muleing - automatically chronoboosts the nexus, and mules your most recent expansion. You can set it to leave x amount of energy, so once you're on two bases you could tell it to leave you with 50 energy for a scan.

These are hard to differentiate from 'good macro' at face value, however there's a few tells;
The worker production in the hack is great, it doesn't interfere with play at all, this however means that if you watch the replay closely against a player using this, they won't even select their building when an scv/probe is begun. clear tell.
The chronoboosting and muleing can also be done when a player isnt even looking at the nexus or mineral field, yes the nexus COULD be chrono'd by the minimap but that's fairly rare...

There's the blink stalker hack...(there's also an extremely similiar roach burrow one) - easily told by the borderline inhuman APM jumps

You can set queens to automatically transfuse units, even when the queen isnt selected and isnt even on your screen. Potentially could be found out by watching drops closely.


Nukes, nyduses and when a unit is loaded up into an overlord or medivac etc also cause pings on the players minimap - potentially these pings could be found in sc2gears?

Last time i visited the hacks site (6months ago) there was discussion of making a marine/tank etc etc auto production similiar to the worker production mechanic, which would provide a terran 'perfect' macro..unsure as to whether this was actually made though

All these features are within the same 'advanced' hack utility...
I know for a fact that (atleast 7months or so ago) there was atleast a handful of SEA GM players using this hack (as SEA ladder was discussed somewhat on the hacks forum), however obviously on a hacking site everyone uses aliases so i am not and cannot call anyone out, as i simply don't know who.

So yeah, i haven't looked at any chobo replays and therefore i'm not taking a side...but just thought that listing out the features as of 6-7 months ago could help with future/current accusations.

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Nemo:

Thanks for the info, but I think you have to make formal apology for what you did. I haven't seen them anywhere. :-/

[[TA]LoSt]

Originally Posted by Chobo

i did poke up the ramp, while i could win, i could also lose. My decision to pull back because i wanted to make an entertaining game, to show i can go from a all in, scv train back to my base and out macro to take the win.

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

Yes, rather than throw away a game and try go up a ramp with uncertainty. 2 spines queen... what if he had bane etc that I couldn't see. based on the double spine and queen he was read for this attack and who knows what more he could have why would i try force myself up a wall that's gonna lose the game.

So I did something which would look like something stupid in most peoples eyes.. go back and try to outmacro... which I did and won... pretty impressive game imo.

"I went to go all in, but I wanted to make an entertaining game and show I can go from an all-in to macro and win"
"... Hang on, I mean I was uncertain as to whether he had banes and I just assumed from the 2 spines he was ready for it, why would I go in when I think I'm gonna lose?"