[Toastyzeus]

Hello, does anybody have something like drewbies guide, but for protoss?

http://www.complexitygaming.com/foru...ead.php?t=4456


I'm looking for something like this, but I cant find anything like it D:

[Toastyzeus]

Ok so here is what I have going right now:

PvP:


Sase's PvP Aggressive 2 Gate Expo

9 Pylon
13 Gate
14 Pylon
16 Gas ( mine only with 2 probes )
17 Gas( mine only with 2 probes )
18 Zealot
21 Pylon
22 Cybernetics Core
22 Zealot
25 Second gateway
26 First stalker no Chrono

Chrono out 4 Stalkers, then expand at 6:00



PvZ:

Fast 3rd into max kill:

FFE

4:20 Double gas
6:00 Warpgate / +1
@100% Cybercore chrono 1 zealot 1 stalker
6:45 Double gas
Build only sentries
7:00 3 gateways
7:50 Twilight council
8:20 Robo
9:00 Gateway
10:00 Expo
11:00 Gateway
11:30 Double Gas
11:40 Robo Bay and Gateway

Boost in Stalkers + Upgrades
15:00 4 gateways







No PvT though

[jayaiwhy]

you can get the TGM from this website, it was really helpful

[Toastyzeus]

Im more or less just looking for builds right now.

The ones I just posted seem to be working fine, feel free to add to it.

I'm mainly looking for a PvT guide right now, but if anyone has anything else feel free to post it

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Toastyzeus

Sase's PvP Aggressive 2 Gate Expo

9 Pylon
13 Gate
14 Pylon
16 Gas ( mine only with 2 probes )
17 Gas( mine only with 2 probes )
18 Zealot
21 Pylon
22 Cybernetics Core
22 Zealot
25 Second gateway
26 First stalker no Chrono

Chrono out 4 Stalkers, then expand at 6:00

How does this hold off 4gate?.. with no sentries and a 6 min expand?

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

How does this hold off 4gate?.. with no sentries and a 6 min expand?

Well you should have scouted him not 4 gating first, but even if you misread it you should have 1 zeal and 5 stalkers out somewhere close to the 4 gate timing. Hard to say much else without trying it out, expanding in PvP is not my thing anyway xD

[Toastyzeus]

The idea behind chronoboosting out the stalkers is to catch the 4 gate probe (well, if you didnt already scout it). You have pretty much the same amount of units as a 4 gate.

I have seen sase do it a fair bit, it most definitely works.

Im not too good at it yet, but it seems to be working fine, especially if you can get the eco kicking from the expo, you get an incredible lead.

[Neova]

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

How does this hold off 4gate?.. with no sentries and a 6 min expand?

An average 4gate will hit at about 5:30 - 6:00min mark, so by then you should have the 4 stalkers and 1 zealot. That will easily defend against the push to plant the proxy pylon and snipe the probe(probe, 1stalker, 1zealot).
And even if you miss it, you should still be able to defend against the 1st warp in with another 2 units from the gateway production (with some micro). If you add in the extra probes to gas once u plant the expo, you should be able to get a sentry out soon after holding.

Worse come to worst, you can cancel the expo and throw down another 2/3 gates and crono your warpgate, and hold off with the 5-7units you have. Even if you make an even trade, you should still be up in the probe count.

Or if you are up against a delayed 4gate, after planting down the expo, you should have added an extra 2/3 gates anyway. So when they attack, you should have the same, if not more production than he will.
Remember, a 4gate can only get a solid 3-4 warp in rounds if they cut probes before they have to start cutting unit production.

[Jaywalk]

Originally Posted by Neova

An average 4gate will hit at about 5:30 - 6:00min mark, so by then you should have the 4 stalkers and 1 zealot. That will easily defend against the push to plant the proxy pylon and snipe the probe(probe, 1stalker, 1zealot).
And even if you miss it, you should still be able to defend against the 1st warp in with another 2 units from the gateway production (with some micro). If you add in the extra probes to gas once u plant the expo, you should be able to get a sentry out soon after holding.

Worse come to worst, you can cancel the expo and throw down another 2/3 gates and crono your warpgate, and hold off with the 5-7units you have. Even if you make an even trade, you should still be up in the probe count.

Or if you are up against a delayed 4gate, after planting down the expo, you should have added an extra 2/3 gates anyway. So when they attack, you should have the same, if not more production than he will.
Remember, a 4gate can only get a solid 3-4 warp in rounds if they cut probes before they have to start cutting unit production.

A 4 gate comes at 5.15.

To the OP, artosis' sc2 blog has some good detailed builds and ideas on it. just google it. Its called SC2dojo or something similar.

PvT i am using blink stalker either: (factor in the fact im just a casual player)
- blink stalker all in
- sase's 1 gate expand that goes zeal zeal sentry sentry stalker and 3 gate warp in at 6.15, lots of people use similar ones so you can probably copy something similar pretty easy. lets you either attack the front, and/or transition into robo.

Quick Comments

mGGSouth:

5.15 is only korean all zealot 4 gate right?