[Draxy]

Hmm... Kelly on a side note, regardless of what people are expressing (both positive and negative) I hope you are mentally prepared for dealing with the internet audience. It's not like having a few negative people around school or at the office. Its an army of people who know how they like things and you're damned if you don't agree. Don't let the negativity get you down, no matter how overwhelming it may seem, just filter out things you want to take on board and try to ignore the rest. At the end of the day your work will speak for itself, and what more can really be expected than doing your best?

I think people really underestimate how much pressure is put on a person when a huge group starts posting negative opinions about you from the comfort of there computer. You have to be mentally tough, and stick it out though to come out the other side. Also remember you generally only hear the complainers, the happy people don't feel the need to go express themselves generally.

Stay positive Kelly and turn this into a launching pad that will make others marvel ;]

[nGenLight]

Give her a break, she actually did alright last night.

Of course we would feel somewhat uneasy about the reduction of casting quality because we are so used to the perfect chemistry and high quality casting by Tastosis. Note that they are so good strongly due to the fact they have worked with each other for such a long time and have lots of experience. With Tasteless already helping her out significantly last night, I don't doubt her casting will be more enjoyable down the road. So she doesn't have the tip-top game knowledge(although adequate) nor the professionalism we are used to - Some would say these are criteria for casting such high profile events such as GSL, some things she says do make me cringe and her pitchy voice/accent is sometimes a little too much but towards the end of last night we could see her being much more comfortable in her role, developing chemistry with Tasteless, smiling more, and altogether not sounding half bad.

Instead of insulting her accent, why not just laugh along with it, and enjoy it. I must have laughed for 1 hour straight after hearing her say that Huk made a "Duck Shrine". If casters are meant to be provide entertainment, it is fair to say that I was entertained by her own unique way. Though of course just like the rest of us, I would like to see the the more important aspects of casting to be more refined when she has the Mic.

There are a lot of criticism about her not taking criticism well - I'm pretty sure when criticism comes in the form of 43487853737579983 posts and endless taunting, disrespect and insults, anyone would lose their cool. If anyone thinks they are saying anything new when commentating on how "bad" they think her casting is, she has heard it 4573345858773 times before, it doesn't help. Some tips, hints, help and encouragement would be so much more useful than the common "omg cant understand her wtff!!!"

Like her or not, shes casting our GSL, the best we can do is continue to support and encourage her.

[Makra]

Originally Posted by NEWater

Why, thank you. I'm no stranger to being labelled an elitist from the way I speak and my usage of vocabulary, but mainly the "elitist" word pops up right away the moment people discover the sort of school I came from.

But really, excuse me for caring about gaming in Singapore. Perhaps I ought to join the men in white and have an easier life smiling and nodding while everyone enjoys their backslapping and lovebombing.

Sure, you may be 'using vocabulary', but you're not using it well. And go ahead, draw completely random points from what I said. Because I clearly accosted you for caring about gaming in Singapore.

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by Makra

Sure, you may be 'using vocabulary', but you're not using it well. And go ahead, draw completely random points from what I said. Because I clearly accosted you for caring about gaming in Singapore.

this is silly, he used perfectly appropprate vocabulary. I dont see how someone using vocabulary which the lowest common denominator of people dont grasp doesnt mean he should stop using it, it means other people should raise their knowledge.

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by Unstable

this is silly, he used perfectly appropprate vocabulary. I dont see how someone using vocabulary which the lowest common denominator of people dont grasp doesnt mean he should stop using it, it means other people should raise their knowledge.

or he could just talk like a normal person so everyone can understand him since we probably have quite a few english as a second language posters here and he's writing like he's trying to impress his third year law professor or something...

But you know, whatever.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by JPMoney

or he could just talk like a normal person so everyone can understand him since we probably have quite a few english as a second language posters here and he's writing like he's trying to impress his third year law professor or something...

But you know, whatever.

This post is so wrong I don't even know how I'd make it right without deleting it.

[Makra]

Maybe I'm not being clear enough. There's nothing wrong with the words he's using, but his last paragraph was horrible English. If you're going to communicate with complex or advanced English, you should at least get the basic sentence structure correct. And what Pinder said too, this is a casual internet forum, where people are just trying to get their message across, not exactly somewhere you need to showoff with fancy words.

[ke_ivan]

First off, congrats to Kelly. I would only say that you might want to tune out of the forums for a while and focus on casting. Forums can be distracting, to say the least.

I'm still mixed about the decision GOM made, but as mOOnGLaDe wrote, I feel that the SEA community should still support her because of the community she represents. I don't think there's much of a conflict there.

And if you don't want GOM to die (and I sincerely doubt it will), you should support GOM. Quite honestly, I would rather watch some high-level games than no games. I've already bought the ticket, and you should too. Anyway, mOOnGLaDe is playing, and we should support that, if anything else.

[dKiWi]

Yeah if i were Kelly i wudnt even be reading this, until at least after the job is over. Its like having my final exams next day and my friends and family are going I THINK U GONNA FAIL JUST GO FAIL LOL

And i think the site name is cool seriously; it definitely has an anti-suicide feel to it, which is good. Like fuckslits dude!

I also disagree that i did not try to give advice -_- I just tried politely to fit them into a conversation like most normal people do. Not create a list! wth

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by tgun

This post is so wrong I don't even know how I'd make it right without deleting it.

I'm assuming i came across wrong or you're an idiot, I'm not referring to grimmer/spelling etc. Obviously having correct english will actually help, but more going overboard with vocab you barely hear and examples of australian politics on a site where like 90% of people are going to have nfi what you are talking about even if they understood all the words in your post is a bit retarded.

[Unstable]

i 2nd that tgun is an idiot

[nirvAnA]

Final warning

If you want to critisize do it constructively, like unstable and rielle/froadac(after i edited them) have done in their long posts on the previous page. Insulting her is a below the belt / douche thing to do and will only get your post edited/delete or your IP address banned, and when that happens you wont be able to even view the site anymore.

GOM has already made the decision to hire her and shes not going anywhere soon. So if you wanna help the situation you should be providing proper constructive feedback which she can use, obv if you insult her she will tune everything out and not even read it.

From this point unconstructive criticisms / needless insults = site ban

[kellyMILKIES]

Yes, well. I probably shouldn't say anything at all since all people link to outside of this forum out of context that makes me look like an a-hole and I can't take criticisms.
I have a lot of people helping me in Korea they are all that matters at the moment. A lot of points people pointed out I am already working on.
People don't seem to link all the more, how to you put it, genuine stuff I say. They take only the bad context out and screenshot it and copy paste it to other places.

I am honestly working really hard in Korea. I I am having fun on screen but off screen I spend a lot of time working on my accent, speed, enunciation etc. I have people in Korea that are speaking to me ala a semi-English class everyday so I can adopt the more acceptable way of saying certain words and units.

To clear a major point up, I obviously know what a Hellion is. And I do not say Bruu. I say Blue. As for Zealots, I discussed this before my casts whether to say zee-lot or zeh-lert and apparently zee-lot is ok, which was why I went with it.

The reason why I am replying here and not on TL is that nobody will care what I say there. Also, this is my own community, I care about what my community thinks a lot. I know there are certain stuff I need to work on, but understand that some things that people say are just out right hate and uncalled for aggressiveness. The people who are extremely harsh to me already have a fixed mindset that I don't think I can change at the moment.

I am going to watch my VODs now and see what I can improve on. So I will write later.

[Makra]

NEWater, you linked this thread on TL to let people know they can 'deliver [their] criticism directly to her'. Great, we all really wanted this site turning into TL. Kelly has received enough criticism already, you don't need to bring half of TL over here. Glad to see that some of the people who did come over actually have some sense though.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...currentpage=55

[ke_ivan]

I think a lot it was to do with expectations. Everyone was expecting Artosis and Tasteless, not Kelly and Tasteless. The comparisons with everyone else started escalating until it reached epic proportions. I'm not saying she shouldn't improve, but the community should least try to speed that process up by mitigating excessive negativity.

So I say leave it to GOM and Tastosis to help her with her casting. If she focuses and practices, she'll be good in no time.

And to Kelly: Don't forget the Tastosis jokes! The winning build is always the Tasteless Build!

[Yoz]

Originally Posted by dKiWi

Yeah if i were Kelly i wudnt even be reading this, until at least after the job is over. Its like having my final exams next day and my friends and family are going I THINK U GONNA FAIL JUST GO FAIL LOL

Actually, a better analogy would be if you're studying for exams and your examiner walks in and says, "Wow you're ******* stupid. You clearly have no ******* clue how to speak French and you're totally going to fail tomorrow. In fact I probably shouldn't let you sit the oral exam, but i'll just let you sit and if you fail i'll make you wait a few months before you try again."

Sure, the examiner is probably out of line for being overly aggressive but it's the examiner who is inevitably going to judge you afterwards. If you want to pass the exam, then isn't it a little smarter to listen to the underlying problems the examiner has with your presentation?

On top of that, going out of your way to tell the examiner that he has no clue what he is talking about is outright stupid if the 'exam' is subjective. It just gives them more reason to fail you?

If I were Kelly right now, I would be thinking long and hard before posting anything. I might even consult a friend or third party before posting replies on forums.

[x5_Potter]

Kelly, last night was an amazing job. We could see you were slightly nervous to begin with, but you delivered a top class casting performance.
Congratulations on the awesome cast and can't wait til next Code A day.
One thing I agree with from a friend is taking some more breaths when the exciting parts happen, you get excited and out of breath and can't cast as much as the previous minutes of the match.
Very well done

[Dogsi]

Please link where Kelly stated that they had no clue what they were talking about.

She stated a post which had no real point or clarity was just that, unclear and pointless.

Again, if you want to critique her, feel free. At least keep the critiques in the realm of reality though. Don't critique her for something she did not do.

[ke_ivan]

I have to say, though, Kelly's improved tenfold over her previous casts. Sure, I miss the Artosis' in-depth analysis, but that shouldn't take anything away from Kelly's improvements.

[Starcraftmazter]

Originally Posted by kellyMILKIES

Also, this is my own community, I care about what my community thinks a lot. I know there are certain stuff I need to work on, but understand that some things that people say are just out right hate and uncalled for aggressiveness. The people who are extremely harsh to me already have a fixed mindset that I don't think I can change at the moment.

Probably, but on the other hand there are people on the opposite extreme as well who will shower you with compliments no matter what you do.

Regardless, I would appreciate hearing what you have to reply in regards to this post:
http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p=8855&postcount=137

Surely you cannot dismiss all of those points as "taking things out of context"? Surely you must realise that poster raises some very legitimate points in regards to what your motives are and the (allegedly) devious methods you have used to draw attention to yourself, which seem to supersede your casting abilities?

This is not a criticism nor an implication but a legitimate question which I would love to be addressed. In fact ideally you would address each of those points, as they are quite interesting.


PS. For the love of all christ stop saying things along the lines of "race X builds Y and there's like nothing race Z can do about it". If you want to learn things from Artosis, please learn the good stuff and not the bad stuff. And even Artosis never dares to hint at imbalance when casting - this is probably the #1 thing that could make you lose your new casting job.