[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by TAdeL

But was that in a tourney where they had the event or sponsor name in the map name or loading screen?

That's a minor difference: it's more to the fact that the games were played on almost identical maps yet re-gamed because they have to be played on xyz maps. If you were that worried about your sponsors, you'd plug them more and/or put an overlay up.

[deL]

Originally Posted by tgun

That's a minor difference: it's more to the fact that the games were played on almost identical maps yet re-gamed because they have to be played on xyz maps. If you were that worried about your sponsors, you'd plug them more and/or put an overlay up.

Sponsors change everything - you can't compare that with general rules. For mine every scenario and rule will never be written so all you can ask for is consistency. It was the player's responsibility to ensure they play on the right map and the admin's responsibility to do the same but once the game is played the result has to stand. If midway through a player had mentioned it was not in the map pool then obviously they would regame from that point.

The fact that admins weren't hosting and checking the games and maps this far in to the tournament suggests the map pool was not intended to be a strict, priority rule. As Eddie mentioned both players were playing as if it were a legitimate map and and if the players had done any kind of special practice or training on the maps of the tournament that would mean deviating from it would disadvantage them significantly they would have picked up that the map was not available.

Though I don't usually like placing the responsibility on one of the players I feel if Revenant offered a regame it would be acceptable.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by TAdeL

It was the player's responsibility to ensure they play on the right map .

I keep seeing people say this. It's not. The players have way more than enough on their mind: admins are there to run the tournament, settle disputes and ensure maps are made/played. If you have ever seen the playhem daily, admins are constantly making games for players, esp. those games which are to be streamed.

Stop putting the fault on the players. It's not the players fault.

[TargA]

Originally Posted by tgun

I keep seeing people say this. It's not. The players have way more than enough on their mind: admins are there to run the tournament, settle disputes and ensure maps are made/played. If you have ever seen the playhem daily, admins are constantly making games for players, esp. those games which are to be streamed.

Stop putting the fault on the players. It's not the players fault.

Its the players fault, you are always supposed to read the rules.. Also admins fault for not noticing.

Anyways, shouldnt be a regame.

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Originally Posted by TargA

Its the players fault, you are always supposed to read the rules.. Also admins fault for not noticing.

Anyways, shouldnt be a regame.

It is partially the players fault. But most of the players will be playing in quite a few tournaments, all with different map pools. I don't feel it is right to believe that at 2-2 in a Bo5 with a fairly important prize up for grabs that it is incomprehensible for Iaguz to not be realising that this is the one tournament that luckily excludes one of the more annoying maps for TvZ.

I don't think a regame should occur several days after the tournament, and it sucks that iaguz misses a seed because he had to play on a wrong map, but I think the initial decision should stand for now.

But what is important, is that their should be a clear policy on this for future tournaments. At exactly what point is it too late for the player to realise they've been made to play on a wrong map and expect to get a regame? As soon as they've left? As soon as their opponent has an advantage?

Then at least there will hopefully be less drama next time.