[Champi]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

JaFF is just voicing his opinion, like everyone else. are u saying only TA should be allowed to voice their opinions and not neutral people? Didn't see you shutting tgun out when he said his piece, i dont agree with tgun's perspective but i know its a neutral one and i respect his opinion.

tguns post was neutral
jaffs post was not neutral

[JaFF]

Originally Posted by [TA]LoSt

Please, please do what a LOT of people are doing and sit on the sidelines for this one. It's not your fight, feel free to PM nirvana to let him know how much of a fanboy you are. Other than that, just sit back and watch the big boys do what they need to do.

LMAO. First light, now you. If you guys want to 'discuss' something without interference from the public/community, don't do it on a public forum. All this 'stay out of it it's not your fight' bullshit seriously makes no sense.

Originally Posted by simon

After posts like that Nirvana you wonder why people grow so incredibly frustrated and start throwing ad hominem attacks at you. its ******* unbelievable your ability to constantly regurgitate the same bullshit statement time and time again even though new rational arguments continue to be brought forth from people. Its like you replaced your daily intake of water with the very same kool aid that jaff has so blatantly been gorging himself on.

Posts like these on TL will get your warned/banned in a heartbeat. No idea how or why the moderators in sc2sea can tolerate them.

Originally Posted by TAChampi

tguns post was neutral
jaffs post was not neutral

Dafuq? Just because i agree with nirvana that means i'm not neutral? Unlike you guys from TA, i'm not from aLt. I barely even know nirvana. I only decided to make that post because i obviously disagree with a lot of the comments you guys are making in this thread.

All these claims about how the community agrees with your points of views show ignorance more than anything else. I am part of the community and i support nirvana's decisions. From the top of my head i can even name at least 10 others who would agree on that. This thread was made to discuss the degree/process of these punishments, NOT the possible motives behind them, so stop derailing it please.

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nirvAnA:

Probaby the best post in this thread

[Champi]

Originally Posted by JaFF

Dafuq? Just because i agree with nirvana that means i'm not neutral? Unlike you guys from TA, i'm not from aLt. I barely even know nirvana. I only decided to make that post because i obviously disagree with a lot of the comments you guys are making in this thread.

do u even understand the meaning of the word neutral?

neutral
[noo-truhl, nyoo-truhl]   Example Sentences Origin

neu·tral
   [noo-truhl, nyoo-truhl]

adjective

1.
not taking part or giving assistance in a dispute or war between others: a neutral nation during World War II.
2.
not aligned with or supporting any side or position in a controversy: The arbitrator was absolutely neutral.
3.
of or belonging to a neutral state or party: neutral territory.


doesnt matter if ur not in alt, u took a side, so ur not neutral. u fucked up!

[JaFF]

Originally Posted by TAChampi

do u even understand the meaning of the word neutral?

neutral
[noo-truhl, nyoo-truhl]   Example Sentences Origin

neu·tral
   [noo-truhl, nyoo-truhl]

adjective

1.
not taking part or giving assistance in a dispute or war between others: a neutral nation during World War II.
2.
not aligned with or supporting any side or position in a controversy: The arbitrator was absolutely neutral.
3.
of or belonging to a neutral state or party: neutral territory.


doesnt matter if ur not in alt, u took a side, so ur not neutral. u fucked up!

Well by that definition almost all of our posts, including tgun's, aren't neutral because we ultimately took a side one way or the other.

Clearly by neutral we meant unbiased. From experience a semantics argument usually gets you no where.

[sheepy]

do u even understand the meaning of the word neutral?

1.
not taking part or giving assistance in a dispute or war between others: a neutral nation during World War II.
2.
not aligned with or supporting any side or position in a controversy: The arbitrator was absolutely neutral.
3.
of or belonging to a neutral state or party: neutral territory.


doesnt matter if ur not in alt, u took a side, so ur not neutral. u fucked up!

So you are saying that this is a private conflict between two parties and external voices or parties can not voice their opinion on the matter? If so, why is it on a public forum? If you choose to pursue this matter on a public form, you should expect that people would come in to voice their opinions.

This statement you quoted:

not aligned with or supporting any side or position in a controversy: The arbitrator was absolutely neutral.

This refers to having absolutely no alignment with EITHER party before reading into the controversy itself. A neutral party such as an arbitrator is allowed to take a stance on an issue after looking at the various factors that are causing the controversy. The role of an arbitrator is to come in to the issue with absolutely no allegiance(neutral) to either party and take a STANCE on the matter based on what he sees. Jaff came into this post as a neutral party and that is the conclusion he has reached. You are the one who has misunderstood the term.

i also see many many personal attacks in this post. On most community sites, personal attacks result in bans regardless of the circumstances. Lets not even talk about personal attacks on administrators here. Nirvana has done a ton for the sea community, and sc2sea is part of the reason why the community has developed so much in the first place. To me its just incredible how some people can attack someone who has done so much to build SEA scene simply because of one or two things that they disagree with.

[EveVendetta]

Originally Posted by TAChampi

do u even understand the meaning of the word neutral?

neutral
[noo-truhl, nyoo-truhl]   Example Sentences Origin

neu·tral
   [noo-truhl, nyoo-truhl]

adjective

1.
not taking part or giving assistance in a dispute or war between others: a neutral nation during World War II.
2.
not aligned with or supporting any side or position in a controversy: The arbitrator was absolutely neutral.
3.
of or belonging to a neutral state or party: neutral territory.


doesnt matter if ur not in alt, u took a side, so ur not neutral. u fucked up!

Thing is Champi, even based on your warped understanding of what being 'neutral' means, it's a joke you're bringing in neutrality in your argument. Just look at the majority of the posts against Nirvana in this thread, and tell me whom they were made by. And just because Jaff steps in to offer his opinion, you start going on about neutrality?

Originally Posted by TALost

Please, please do what a LOT of people are doing and sit on the sidelines for this one. It's not your fight, feel free to PM nirvana to let him know how much of a fanboy you are. Other than that, just sit back and watch the big boys do what they need to do.

You're kidding me right, big boys? And stop giving this bullshit about being Nirvana's fanboy, it's not about siding Nirvana for no good reason, look at the sense of simon's and scarecrow in this thread and lets talk about how civil and mature they're being in their arguments.

Look at Pinder, dippa, Dox, Chadmann, Scaramanga, Tguns, and Mafia's posts, and learn.

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EveRekanise:

cant dispute with this sound logic

[NvRossi]

you guys are too late to the party

[EveVendetta]

Originally Posted by TARossi

you guys are too late to the party

Doesn't matter, point has to be made.

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by EveVendetta

Doesn't matter, point has to be made.

maybe your points would be valid if you weren't late to the party.

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TABjornbrandr:

[simon]

Nirvanas impermiable bubble must be getting pretty crowded now that you have taken up residency JaFF.

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TAkrunch:

u make me laugh

[EveVendetta]

Originally Posted by TARossi

maybe your points would be valid if you weren't late to the party.

Nah your posts have made my points valid why do you think your name ain't in the list in my post

[NvRossi]

i understand you think you have an idea whats going on, but you don't. Thanks for trying though.

Anyway i think its time to close the thread so these pelicans can stop their shenanigans.

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inFeZa:

i ******* love pelicans

[ROOT`iaguz]

I'm half TA, half aLt, I declare myself the King of Neutrality.

Rossi's right though, this thread has pretty much run it's course as far as trying to get deth unbanned goes.

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