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Originally Posted by lost

"Please, please do what a LOT of people are doing and sit on the sidelines for this one. "

I think you guys should apply this to yourself, there isn't a need for you to be involved in this lost. JaFF is just voicing his opinion, like everyone else. are u saying only TA should be allowed to voice their opinions and not neutral people? Didn't see you shutting tgun out when he said his piece, i dont agree with tgun's perspective but i know its a neutral one and i respect his opinion.

Also people should stop speaking for "the community". All of you represent TA's sentiment. TA is a segment of the community not THE community. Just as pinder said neg rep should be removed because "everyone" knew it was stupid system when it turns out the majority of the community want it to stay. and the world wide starcraft community AKA TL share the sentiment that banned users should not play in the sites private tournaments.

if deth wasn't a member of TA there wouldn't even be this thread. zan has been banned for over a year now and i dont see anyone championing his unbanning. NO i am not comparing deth and zan as people, i am comparing the fact they both had their fourm bans extended to tournament bans, and people are now demanding i apply different rules to deth because hes a "top player" and it "affects his livelihood". im also not saying anything bad about TA, there are a lot of people in TA i respect and am on absolutely fine terms with so dont get me wrong.

deth is only banned from two tournaments, the SEAL and SEASL. dont see how that is removing him completely from the scene. if he had Idra's ability he could compete with the rest of the world too and join every other competition, look what TargA did with NASL? Is it my fault too that deth lacks the ability so he can only compete in sea touraments? it was purely by idras own merit that the ban did not have that strong of an impact. and is someone saying nazgul's ban was token and meaningless? would love to hear what nazgul thinks about that.

also pple keep talking like deth was totally innocent and suddenly got prosecuted by some crazy power hungry dictator. everything deth did was brought upon to by HIMSELF. he hurt his own chances, his own reputation and his own team by the actions he did. i dont see glade or pig or any other top player getting banned from tournaments, simply because they will never do anything they know will harm their own livelihood.

and afaik deth works part time and thats where he earns his income, correct me if im wrong. he doesnt earn his "livelihood" from starcraft, and never has. sure he wins the occasional prize but esports in SEA is undeveloped and its not enough to go by, unless you always win everything, consistently, like glade. if anything, playing more starcraft means deth has less time to work and less money to make. so all this "livelihood" talk doesn't even make sense in the first place, there are only a handful of players in SEA that make a living purely off sc2.

As for the "apology"

deth never apologised, it was disguised as an apology, but it never was one. Anyone from a neutral perspective will be able to see that. His apology to fourby recently was a real and sincere one so he was perfectly capable of making something like that if he wanted to. a real apology would have been directed to me personally and privately first, not made on a forum circumventing the ban with the help of a friend "for show". It was a insincere last ditch attempt to play in the league, and when that failed he made the slanderous TL post to get back at me. again, not something someone who was sincerely apologetic would ever do.

theres a lot of harping and assigning blame on the decision of the ban when everyone else with a netural perspective could see it was deth's actions that resulted in the ban. dont want to be banned? dont want it to affect your "livelihood?" just behave like the other 9,000 users on the site and dont commit any offence that will result in a ban, especially something you have already been banned 7 times for. Whats so hard to understand about that?

Also theres some serious self entitlement issues going on here, everyone here should read the house rules again, which was drafted 3 months ago based heavily on TL's house rules. And if you dont agree just dont accept them.