[[TA]LoSt]

Originally Posted by JaFF

Wow... just wow...

Nirvana built sc2sea from the ground up. He has done so much for the community that some of these posts are just ridiculous. Show some f***ing respect.

To those saying that the consequences of deth's ban is gonna be harsh on his potential career as a competitive player. Yeah, maybe. But then again, if nirvana had not put in the hours and effort that he did to make sc2sea such a success, most of us probably wouldn't even enjoy this opportunity in the first place. If you have an opinion on the matter, you should pm him or post a civil and constructive post. Not get all melodramatic and try to start some anti-nirvana movement.

Deth launches personal attacks at nirvana on a public forum and then gets banned from participating in tournaments that nirvana helms. Is that really all that surprising and preposterous?

Of course nirvana shouldn't be the one deciding on deth's punishment because it's hard for him to stay subjective. Of course these tournament bans are pretty devastating to an aspiring pro-gamer. But personally attacking a prominent figure in the SEA E-sports scene when you have so much at stake in it isn't all that wise either.

I think a big issue here is that up till now deth has not made an apology to nirvana. If he is all that serious about going pro, this should have been a no-brainer. And before people go "Oh so we got to agree with everything thing nirvana does??". Obviously not. Disagreeing with nirvana's decisions is fine, but personal attacks is a whole other story.

Regarding the duration/severity of the punishment of these cases, i feel it has to be judged on a case by case basis, preferably an unanimous decision among the admins. In fact, even if you do reverse the ban now (perhaps after an apology?), i feel that everyone has pretty much gotten your point - that personal attacks on the sc2sea forums is not going to be taken lightly.

Come on.. Really? I haven't even posted about this topic, choosing to stay out of all the drama, but this post is just ridiculous. Why did you feel the need to post this..?

If you have an opinion on the matter, you should pm him or post a civil and constructive post. Not get all melodramatic and try to start some anti-nirvana movement.

Oh shit.. Why didn't anyone think of that? Oh wait..

Deth launches personal attacks at nirvana on a public forum and then gets banned from participating in tournaments that nirvana helms. Is that really all that surprising and preposterous?

That is the issue. sc2sea is the gateway for EVERY South-East Asian tournament hosted. Is TL the mediator of every tournament advertised on their site, and they choose who does and doesn't participate? No. The majority of the community feels deth has served his time.. This is the ******* internet; let the kid play the game hes sponsored to play?

I think a big issue here is that up till now deth has not made an apology to nirvana.

I feel like saying that this won't help at all, because everyone who has the slightest bit of involvement in any of this would know it's beyond this. This thread contains an apology for personal attacks before the TL thread. Do you really think an apology now, after all that, would change anything?

Your post has some good content. Here, I'll show you how you should've written it.

Originally Posted by JaFF

To those saying that the consequences of deth's ban is gonna be harsh on his potential career as a competitive player. Yeah.

Of course nirvana shouldn't be the one deciding on deth's punishment because it's hard for him to stay subjective. Of course these tournament bans are pretty devastating to an aspiring pro-gamer.

Regarding the duration/severity of the punishment of these cases, i feel it has to be judged on a case by case basis, preferably an unanimous decision among the admins. In fact, even if you do reverse the ban now (perhaps after an apology?), i feel that everyone has pretty much gotten your point - that personal attacks on the sc2sea forums is not going to be taken lightly.

Please, please do what a LOT of people are doing and sit on the sidelines for this one. It's not your fight, feel free to PM nirvana to let him know how much of a fanboy you are. Other than that, just sit back and watch the big boys do what they need to do.

[JaFF]

Originally Posted by [TA]LoSt

Please, please do what a LOT of people are doing and sit on the sidelines for this one. It's not your fight, feel free to PM nirvana to let him know how much of a fanboy you are. Other than that, just sit back and watch the big boys do what they need to do.

LMAO. First light, now you. If you guys want to 'discuss' something without interference from the public/community, don't do it on a public forum. All this 'stay out of it it's not your fight' bullshit seriously makes no sense.

Originally Posted by simon

After posts like that Nirvana you wonder why people grow so incredibly frustrated and start throwing ad hominem attacks at you. its ******* unbelievable your ability to constantly regurgitate the same bullshit statement time and time again even though new rational arguments continue to be brought forth from people. Its like you replaced your daily intake of water with the very same kool aid that jaff has so blatantly been gorging himself on.

Posts like these on TL will get your warned/banned in a heartbeat. No idea how or why the moderators in sc2sea can tolerate them.

Originally Posted by TAChampi

tguns post was neutral
jaffs post was not neutral

Dafuq? Just because i agree with nirvana that means i'm not neutral? Unlike you guys from TA, i'm not from aLt. I barely even know nirvana. I only decided to make that post because i obviously disagree with a lot of the comments you guys are making in this thread.

All these claims about how the community agrees with your points of views show ignorance more than anything else. I am part of the community and i support nirvana's decisions. From the top of my head i can even name at least 10 others who would agree on that. This thread was made to discuss the degree/process of these punishments, NOT the possible motives behind them, so stop derailing it please.

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