[Disadvantage]

After losing to a couple of 6/7 pools (mainly through silly decisions of my own) I started wondering if anyone alters their build once they see the 6 pool on the way? I am starting to think I might just 10pool in most of my ZvZ's now. Anyone got any other suggestions.

I am in Silver FYI

[Seagal]

all ya gotta do in zvz is scout a tad earlier like 8, itll cut ur econ a bit but it could be the differnce between a win and a loss

[Hybrid]

This takes some practice but all you have to do is march your drones around until you can get a surround and kill of his lings, if they 6/7 pool you, they are at a huge disadvantage as by time the next round of lings hit you have a spine and lings of you own, then a min or 2 later the match will be over as you have your units marching in his front door killing his units, and on for the win.

I am not perfect at it, i still lose occasionally to this but it generally works for me and i have fast expanded.
Sometimes with close spwans you have to cancel your hatch, but you are at a huge drone advantage anyway after you stop it.

[eXcLusiVe]

if ur in silver and u see 6pool just be a twat and build a pool as soon as u scout it and then hide ur drone then spine rush while he is attacking u :P (not the best advice)

[Disadvantage]

yeah, righto. I might try that a little more Hybrid, if I fail at it I might post a replay or something. ZvZ is the only matchup I seriously struggle against.

Also, nice Idea Exclusive :P

[Skitz]

From what I gather a 10 pool would actually be the wrong choice, because your going to hold it off with drones, a 10 pool would give you significantly less drones by the time a 6 pool hits than if you were going for something more standard.

I might have no idea what i'm talking about tho :P

[deL]

Play Protoss.

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QEDbourkes:

i'd rather zvz then pvp

[ProAnnn]

Originally Posted by deL

Play Protoss.

What he said.

[Disadvantage]

Originally Posted by deL

Play Protoss.

I'm guessing you kinda the community troll? :P

[UncleTom]

Anny you switch?

[eXcLusiVe]

uncle tom is the com troll :P

[Satu]

My strategy? Well for openers,

If it matters: 15pool into blings or roaches (Most of the time roaches).

If it doesnt matter: 15hatch into roach/infestor.

Oh, and done drone scout. If you REALLY cant go without it, it has to be early enough to scout the opponent if they for if they are rushing and early enough to allow you to 10pool. If you 10pool vs a rush, oftentimes, you just win.

Originally Posted by Skitz

From what I gather a 10 pool would actually be the wrong choice, because your going to hold it off with drones, a 10 pool would give you significantly less drones by the time a 6 pool hits than if you were going for something more standard.

I might have no idea what i'm talking about tho :P

Lings pop from 10pool just as the opponent's 6pool lings arrive.

[sunsetkid]

most zvz is roach wars if played properly. you can try the below strats to prop up your win percentage.

1. 6 pool all in with 1 or 2 spines
2. 8 pool all in with 2 spines
3. 10 pool, then queen and lord+nonstop lings
4. Offensive stealth hatch with spine crawler push(great on blistering sands if not detected. good on steppes with ling support from main hatch.

if you see 6 pool, just make a 12 pool. your lings pop just when they reach your base most times.

[dKiWi]

I open roughly like this for ZvZ:



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[Disadvantage]

Thanks for all the input guys! I'll be trying to think of all these things in my next ZvZ, hopefully I can come out with a little luck.

[Jaii]

I like that flowchart, especially with the custom build for scrap. People should be altering their ZvZ based on this sort of thing more often, rather than blindly thinking "well I saw on day9 a fast lair build, so ill do that!" on every-single-map.

[fishling]

go 13pool, scout early for cheese and prepare to micro a lot.

out-micro the fool and win due to stronger economy
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if no cheese, then i usually go ling bane with above-average micro. i win around 95% of my z v z's haha

[Haza]

Well I like to 1 base tech roach rush.

Just get speed and +1 attack and you can absolutely dominate a Zerg who has expanded.

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neKo:

Bonjwa

[AvPoker]

15 Hatch. Every. Time.

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	Pox:	best strat
	InteGrand:	nah the best BO counter to 6pool is 16 hatch, 17 gas, 17 pool

[FsDronesInJail]

15 hatch opener.
If opponent also goes 15 hatch, I skip ling speed/bling and go straight to roach tech with double evo chambers

[ROCCAT_Savior]

I just drone scout, and if I scout a pool thats finishing up or finished before the 2:10 ish mark, I'll 15 pool instead of 15 hatch which makes holding early pools very manageable. You still have to be careful and not lose drones easily but once you know its coming thats easy to do.

If you search for something like 'belial zvz holding a 6 pool team liquid' that should give you a really nice guide to learn from.

This thread is from over a year ago...FUARK

[mGGAequitas]

Originally Posted by Disadvantage

I started wondering if anyone alters their build once they see the 6 pool on the way

no don't alter your build at all. If you wanna go 14 pool 16 hatch then God damn it plant down that hatch at 16, try and ignore all the distracting "your drones are under attack". It's just blizzards way of trying to stop you from doing your build.

[FLuX]

I like 15p 16h currently, it's nice and safe and still economic

[AlopexToT]

lol why is everyone digging up a post from 1.5 years ago

[Satu]

Old thread is old.

Also, funny reading what I thought were good strats all that time ago ;P

[TheGentleman]

The mage's guild does not approve of the practice of necromancy.

[ToRLuneth]

Originally Posted by TheGentleman

The mage's guild does not approve of the practice of necromancy.

That ban on necromancy was lifted hundreds of years ago after Hannibal Traven died.

[RVLiveR]

Plan to 15 hatch. If he goes 6pool, pull drones and a click when you think you can get a surround on the lings. It comes down to micro, if you survive with ~8-10 drones and kill the initial lings you're ahead. If you scout his 6pool earlier, then just make a pool ASAP because you don't really need the hatch's extra larva if you only have 8-10 drones, and you get some lings out faster if he transitions into a round 2.

[OverDrone]

Depend on which maps though. If it's large maps I would go 10th pool, average maps I would go 15th hatch open or 15th pool + gas open

[x5.Stormz]

14 pool can beat 6 and 7 pools as long as you see it coming and can prepare by making lings and one or more spines to defend. Just remember hold it off, you win