[Starcraftmazter]

Originally Posted by SkyBreaker

When people are saying "give her a chance", I'm quite sure they are referring to casting the GSL.

But how or why should it be different to casting anything else? It's like someone might be an ok player in Australia (I said ok, so not moonglade), then they go to Korea and someone is saying, "give them a chance", well ok but...if they were never the best to begin with, why exactly would they suddenly get a lot better coming up against better opponents under more pressure?

Originally Posted by SkyBreaker

I mean, a lot of people wrote her off after a few sample VoDs that were posted on TL; but after tonight, it's clear that she's improved her casting abilities tremendously. So by "giving her a chance"; it's clear to see she's actually a great caster, is improving and will continue to do so. And most importantly following her passions in life; regardless of negative criticism based on people's assumptions.

I think it depends on existing bias. The people that supported her will continue to support her. The people that criticized the decision will continue to do so as well.

Personally I heard a ton of mispronunciations of unit names, several parts where I just couldn't understand what she was saying, she interrupted tasteless several times, and half the time she was asking tasteless what he thought about something or why a player is doing something.
A caster is actually supposed to contribute information, not ask the other caster questions...

But hey - that's just what I saw. Like I said, I doubt many people will change their minds.


On the other hand, I would like to say that it is a delight to hear tasteless come out with more commentary and analysis. And I wish he got his chance to get trolled by the gomtv forums
But that's a bit off topic.

[dKiWi]

i think she did fine past the first two games, altho i kind of miss artosis....

[NEWater]

Nothing personal but I think that was a bad decision on GOMTV's part. Americans and Europeans have zero problem comprehending me on Vent/Skype and it isn't hard at all as long as I took additional care for proper pronunciation.

The accent can be fixed and honestly it's rather inconsequential, but I find Kelly's professionalism and game knowledge + game sense very much lacking. I've seen Aussie commentators give negative feedback on how she didn't bother to inform him that she couldn't make it before disappearing on him, and I remember last year's Gaming Festival event where she disappeared on the first night, leaving a very exhausted Philibert and another totally fresh guy to cover for her.

If GOMTV really wanted someone from Singapore, they should've asked Philibert instead. That guy has been shoutcasting with Gamestah for years and he's one of the most professional casters I know of in Singapore.

[Usul]

Originally Posted by NEWater

Nothing personal but I think that was a bad decision on GOMTV's part. Americans and Europeans have zero problem comprehending me on Vent/Skype and it isn't hard at all as long as I took additional care for proper pronunciation.

The accent can be fixed and honestly it's rather inconsequential, but I find Kelly's professionalism and game knowledge + game sense very much lacking. I've seen Aussie commentators give negative feedback on how she didn't bother to inform him that she couldn't make it before disappearing on him, and I remember last year's Gaming Festival event where she disappeared on the first night, leaving a very exhausted Philibert and another totally fresh guy to cover for her.

If GOMTV really wanted someone from Singapore, they should've asked Philibert instead. That guy has been shoutcasting with Gamestah for years and he's one of the most professional casters I know of in Singapore.

It seems you haven't watched GSL tonight, she did freaking good. Cause even for people who are regularly watching her stream, she already made a freaking improvement. Never mind it being her first day with all the stress from relocating to a another country within a week, having to deal with the thousands of hate posts, maybe quitting her job in singapore... That's one hell of a first day, and she already proved so many people wrong! Even if you don't like her as a caster, Kelly is part of our community, the least we can do is to be behind her.

Also, 1st post for you...

[NEWater]

Originally Posted by Usul

It seems you haven't watched GSL tonight, she did freaking good. Cause even for people who are regularly watching her stream, she already made a freaking improvement. Never mind it being her first day with all the stress from relocating to a another country within a week, having to deal with the thousands of hate posts, maybe quitting her job in singapore... That's one hell of a first day, and she already proved so many people wrong! Even if you don't like her as a caster, Kelly is part of our community, the least we can do is to be behind her.

Also, 1st post for you...

Yeah. I've been a longtime lurker. :\ And hooray for Usul the Pillar from Dune. :P

Honestly I didn't have much reason to post here until the Ris Low of Starcraft fiasco is underway. I simply cannot facepalm enough. And yes, I did watch the stream but still, maybe it's just me whose standards are too high and I'm just being an anal-retentive guy who demands a lot out of things and people (including myself) but I just wasn't satisfied at all. I still think that we could've sent someone much better than Kelly.

[Usul]

Originally Posted by NEWater

Yeah. I've been a longtime lurker. :\ And hooray for Usul the Pillar from Dune. :P

Honestly I didn't have much reason to post here until the Ris Low of Starcraft fiasco is underway. I simply cannot facepalm enough. And yes, I did watch the stream but still, maybe it's just me whose standards are too high and I'm just being an anal-retentive guy who demands a lot out of things and people (including myself) but I just wasn't satisfied at all. I still think that we could've sent someone much better than Kelly.

Thanks for getting the Dune reference!

As for the rest... Well, you might facepalm too much and should go to the toilet more often. That being being said, Kelly is already getting better and striving to do even better. But it seems it's not enough for you, so please do tell us what you dislike about her casting.

[Yoz]

Originally Posted by Usul

It seems you haven't watched GSL tonight, she did freaking good

Were you watching the Korean or English stream? I'll admit she did ALRIGHT but there is no way I am going to say she did well. If you think she did 'freaking good' last night then I think I'm going to become a professional shoutcaster.

Originally Posted by JacziE

Kelly did better than people expected her to :> Saying stuff like racecars is something people dislike, but that's her casting style. If people hate it, we just gotta let that fly. Sometimes I don't like Tasteless nasally voice but that's me.

Anyway, as for the rest, such as jokes/memes and stuff, as long as it's not offensive, it's fine. We spawned graken, grackets, gorillas and stuff. If people makes fun of the things she pronounce, it's funny -- laugh at it, but don't attack her with it. Even Tasteless said cweep. :>

I laugh about it a lot too, but come on guys... raging puts +10 years on your face, don't do it over StarCraft.

JacziE has it more like it is... She did better than expected but I don't think it's anywhere near the level of shoutcasting that people expect from GomTV events. If she is at this level at the end of Code A (and looking at the way she takes criticism, on forums as well as the fact she raged and blocked SEVERAL people on her MSN) makes me question whether she is going to be able to improve quickly enough.

JacziE as a caster from the Warcraft III days, I remember that you were criticised pretty harshly for your voice at first but people kinda got used to it. However, the main difference for mine is that when you were criticised you actually sat down and made an effort to resolve it, instead of just saying 'deal with it'.

An example was the 'burrow' thing we spoke about recently, where I remember you on stream acknowledging it, going through a list of attempted pronounciations, getting it right once, and never again. Except when you do this, at least we know you are aware of the criticism and made an attempt to fix it but failed. At least the community feels as though you have listened, thought it through and when you say burrow it becomes a ziEism rather than retardism.

Kelly's attitude towards critism right now seems so poor. Instead of acknowledging community concerns she does not post on the TeamLiquid forum (which may be a GomTV directive) and comes onto the SC2Sea forum to tell someone that they don't make sense (cue irony). Perhaps as a woman in the eSports scene you could mentor the girl and teach her how to conduct herself a little more professionally? It's already being questioned (and my post on TL didn't help but it was entirely honest) but will probably do a lot to affect her likeability.

People are more forgiving if they think you're listening and trying to improve. Kelly, fyi even if you are trying to improve behind the scenes, you still look like an absolute tool out here imo.

[x5.Revenant]

Originally Posted by NEWater

Nothing personal but I think that was a bad decision on GOMTV's part. Americans and Europeans have zero problem comprehending me on Vent/Skype and it isn't hard at all as long as I took additional care for proper pronunciation.

The accent can be fixed and honestly it's rather inconsequential, but I find Kelly's professionalism and game knowledge + game sense very much lacking. I've seen Aussie commentators give negative feedback on how she didn't bother to inform him that she couldn't make it before disappearing on him, and I remember last year's Gaming Festival event where she disappeared on the first night, leaving a very exhausted Philibert and another totally fresh guy to cover for her.

If GOMTV really wanted someone from Singapore, they should've asked Philibert instead. That guy has been shoutcasting with Gamestah for years and he's one of the most professional casters I know of in Singapore.

I agreed that Philibert is an excellent caster. However, just so you know, the only Starcraft2 event Philibert has ever casted(that I know) was Epic Gaming Convention 2010, whilst Kelly had so much more SC2 casting experience. That being said, Philibert would be inappropriate to be that SC2 caster that GOMTV was be looking for. Frankly, it does seem like you're posting with limited knowledge of what's going on in the Starcraft2 scene of SEA

As for the first two paragraphs, I won't comment much on it as it seemed like it's critisizm based on partially your personal beliefs.

[dKiWi]

I found her game knowledge to be adequate. Too adequate in fact. Sometimes i think she should be an engineer rather than a caster.

But she did manage to mix in some humour there instead of constantly droning on about strategy, so ok plus for me. She should really stop calling players by the race they play and use their names tho

[NEWater]

What, "beep beep I'm not a hellion I'm a go-kart", and "this isn't a map but a street"? How redundant can that get? This is SC2 at its highest level, not The Daily Show on Comedy Central. It would've been fine if it was part of the Day9 Funday Monday but that comedy doesn't belong to GSL.

[NEWater]

<== is a total Dune nerd and has read all the books.

But I digress. I think I already pointed out that she lacks professionalism, game knowledge and game sense. Her redundant rambling was an attempt to cover for her lack of knowledge and I think that has got to stop. I don't know if I'm making an erroneous analogy here but I can't help but to see parallels between the redundancies in Kelly's casting and the amount of evangelizing praise our politicians have been heaping upon our ridiculous Budget 2011.

It became painfully clear to be that she was trying to compensate for her lack of analysis of what was going on in the game, and so was it clear to me that our budget was a crock of horse manure which our politicians tried to neutralize the stink with their most puissant of praises.

[kellyMILKIES]

Originally Posted by NEWater

<== is a total Dune nerd and has read all the books.

But I digress. I think I already pointed out that she lacks professionalism, game knowledge and game sense. Her redundant rambling was an attempt to cover for her lack of knowledge and I think that has got to stop. I don't know if I'm making an erroneous analogy here but I can't help but to see parallels between the redundancies in Kelly's casting and the amount of evangelizing praise our politicians have been heaping upon our ridiculous Budget 2011.

It became painfully clear to be that she was trying to compensate for her lack of analysis of what was going on in the game, and so was it clear to me that our budget was a crock of horse manure which our politicians tried to neutralize the stink with their most puissant of praises.

Dude you don't make sense. Stop talking.

[NEWater]

Originally Posted by kellyMILKIES

Dude you don't make sense. Stop talking.

Then of course, I must apologize if you don't like criticism. It's difficult to resist the level of lovebombing around here but alas, the ostrich really is enviable, sometimes.

[kellyMILKIES]

Originally Posted by NEWater

Then of course, I must apologize if you don't like criticism. It's difficult to resist the level of lovebombing around here but alas, the ostrich really is enviable, sometimes.

You are not even giving criticism. You just sound like you got beat by 6 pool 5 times in a row. Totally bitter, but I guess it's ok. You are new to the forum and you are wasting all your posts here. I get your point. Now go enjoy the other parts of the forum. Take care!

[protoss-my-salad]

Originally Posted by kellyMILKIES

You are not even giving criticism. You just sound like you got beat by 6 pool 5 times in a row. Totally bitter, but I guess it's ok. You are new to the forum and you are wasting all your posts here. I get your point. Now go enjoy the other parts of the forum. Take care!

From that response It's obvious you don't take criticism very well. I just hope you have thick skin .

You have to admit there is a over whelming amount of criticism (mostly hate) coming from everywhere. Even in your own SEA forums. TL has a thread over 60 pages devoted to just criticism. The GOM forums are just out of control. I don't understand why people think she just needs time to improve. Kelly has had this style of casting for a long time now. I don't see it changing in less than a month.

The biggest thing that concerns me is how fast she talks during a battle. I can understand what you're saying during slow parts in the game, but once someone starts to attack I have no idea what she says. Call it stim-voice or whatever, giving it a cute name doesn't help anything. Honestly that is just the biggest problem I have, I could list many other minor things, but there is no reason they are all over the other forums.

Anyway Kelly I bet it sounds like I just got 4 gateway rushed or 6 pooled to you, but you should really think about reaching out the SC2 community somehow if you want their respect.

[Zenyu]

Originally Posted by kellyMILKIES

Dude you don't make sense. Stop talking.

Kelly, question: Why did you name your blog "fuckslits" and where did you get the name "milkies" from?

[Rielle]

Originally Posted by kellyMILKIES

Dude you don't make sense. Stop talking.

This is actually what the above poster meant in his analogy

1 - You rambled because your game knowledge isn't very large.
2 - This rambling was redundant (not useful in any way shape or form).
3 - You are being praised for great commentating.
(analogy begins now)
4 - The 2011 Budget is a horrible failure.
5 - The politicians love the budget and are praising it as a success.

Do you understand how the original poster was making a valid point in his post?

What you (kelly) fail to realize is that criticism of you isn't based solely on you being a girl, or having a hard to understand accent or lack of game knowledge.

The issue of sex isn't an issue at all. Im a guy and would love to see more female casters.

The issue of your accent is of significant importance. You are casting in English for an English audience. If that audience cannot understand you clearly then that is a huge problem.

The issue of your game knowledge is also of significant importance. You are casting Starcraft 2 games for what is easily the grandest SC2 tournament in the world. Mistakes in casting make it difficult to enjoy a game being played. ( i think the biggest was mixing up what colour loner and august were in their game (i think it was those two players)).


What i think bothers a large section of the community is your personality. Your character.

You run a blog site called http://fuckslits.tumblr.com/. Can you please explain your choice of id there? And your nickname is Kelly MILKIES which the word milkies relates to breasts. Was there any reason why your nickname wasn't talked about during your cast? Tasteless and Artosis are referred to by their nicknames not Dan and Nick. Any reason you weren't referred to as KellyMILKIES?

So you choose to associate yourself with words like "fuckslits" and "MILKIES".

You had a post in the above blog where stated (and i quote) "I'm going to shine so ******* bright that i'm going to ******* blind you". Who are you trying to "******* blind"? (note - obviously the "*******" is a naughty word that has been censored by this forum)


You also have a blog at http://www.kellymilkies.blogspot.com/ where you titled it as ";;scadals fit for a queen". What scandals are going on? And they are fit for a Queen? Wow Queen Elizabeth II has nothing on you.

These are one of the key requirements for successful and fun casting.
You need to have the professionalism associated with GSL, easily the Grandest SC2 tournament in the world.

That is one of the problems you need to work on Kelly.


p.s. It looks like Kelly is trying to cover up some of her tracks as lots of posts in her blog sites are disappearing or being re-named/worded. I wonder if GOM made her do it?

[nGenLight]

Give her a break, she actually did alright last night.

Of course we would feel somewhat uneasy about the reduction of casting quality because we are so used to the perfect chemistry and high quality casting by Tastosis. Note that they are so good strongly due to the fact they have worked with each other for such a long time and have lots of experience. With Tasteless already helping her out significantly last night, I don't doubt her casting will be more enjoyable down the road. So she doesn't have the tip-top game knowledge(although adequate) nor the professionalism we are used to - Some would say these are criteria for casting such high profile events such as GSL, some things she says do make me cringe and her pitchy voice/accent is sometimes a little too much but towards the end of last night we could see her being much more comfortable in her role, developing chemistry with Tasteless, smiling more, and altogether not sounding half bad.

Instead of insulting her accent, why not just laugh along with it, and enjoy it. I must have laughed for 1 hour straight after hearing her say that Huk made a "Duck Shrine". If casters are meant to be provide entertainment, it is fair to say that I was entertained by her own unique way. Though of course just like the rest of us, I would like to see the the more important aspects of casting to be more refined when she has the Mic.

There are a lot of criticism about her not taking criticism well - I'm pretty sure when criticism comes in the form of 43487853737579983 posts and endless taunting, disrespect and insults, anyone would lose their cool. If anyone thinks they are saying anything new when commentating on how "bad" they think her casting is, she has heard it 4573345858773 times before, it doesn't help. Some tips, hints, help and encouragement would be so much more useful than the common "omg cant understand her wtff!!!"

Like her or not, shes casting our GSL, the best we can do is continue to support and encourage her.

[aztecx]

Originally Posted by Rielle

This is actually what the above poster meant in his analogy

1 - You rambled because your game knowledge isn't very large.
2 - This rambling was redundant (not useful in any way shape or form).
3 - You are being praised for great commentating.
(analogy begins now)
4 - The 2011 Budget is a horrible failure.
5 - The politicians love the budget and are praising it as a success.

Do you understand how the original poster was making a valid point in his post?

What you (kelly) fail to realize is that criticism of you isn't based solely on you being a girl, or having a hard to understand accent or lack of game knowledge.

The issue of sex isn't an issue at all. Im a guy and would love to see more female casters.

The issue of your accent is of significant importance. You are casting in English for an English audience. If that audience cannot understand you clearly then that is a huge problem.

The issue of your game knowledge is also of significant importance. You are casting Starcraft 2 games for what is easily the grandest SC2 tournament in the world. Mistakes in casting make it difficult to enjoy a game being played. ( i think the biggest was mixing up what colour loner and august were in their game (i think it was those two players)).


What i think bothers a large section of the community is your personality. Your character.

You run a blog site called http://fuckslits.tumblr.com/. Can you please explain your choice of id there? And your nickname is Kelly MILKIES which the word milkies relates to breasts. Was there any reason why your nickname wasn't talked about during your cast? Tasteless and Artosis are referred to by their nicknames not Dan and Nick. Any reason you weren't referred to as KellyMILKIES?

So you choose to associate yourself with words like "fuckslits" and "MILKIES".

You had a post in the above blog where stated (and i quote) "I'm going to shine so ******* bright that i'm going to ******* blind you". Who are you trying to "******* blind"? (note - obviously the "*******" is a naughty word that has been censored by this forum)


You also have a blog at http://www.kellymilkies.blogspot.com/ where you titled it as ";;scadals fit for a queen". What scandals are going on? And they are fit for a Queen? Wow Queen Elizabeth II has nothing on you.

These are one of the key requirements for successful and fun casting.
You need to have the professionalism associated with GSL, easily the Grandest SC2 tournament in the world.

That is one of the problems you need to work on Kelly.


p.s. It looks like Kelly is trying to cover up some of her tracks as lots of posts in her blog sites are disappearing or being re-named/worded. I wonder if GOM made her do it?

I really, REALLY like this post.

[Unstable]

Before i start i feel i need to say this first

I do support kelly otherwise i wouldnt have spent HOURS upon HOURS helping her get her setup her origional streaming rig to get practice on. I wouldnt have done that if i didnt see potential, however kelly your attitude does need to be adjusted slightly, you are now being PAID to cast, so any criticism even if it seems unreasonable should be worked on to improve, im sure tasteless and artosis are there to help in any way they can and I can help when i can aswell, but please dont ever disregard a post again like you did above as he did have a very valid point.

Originally Posted by kellyMILKIES

Dude you don't make sense. Stop talking.

Im sorry but he makes complete sense, just because its using words that arent understandable to you doesnt mean its stupid. let me translate it for you people who dont understand

"But I digress. I think I already pointed out that she lacks professionalism, game knowledge and game sense. Her talking about the same things tasteless said or herself over and over was an attempt to cover for her lack of knowledge and I think that has got to stop. I don't know if I'm making an analogy people wont understand here but I can't help but to see similar things between the repetetive nature in Kelly's casting and the amount of repetetive praise politicians have been about the 2011 budget while completely ignoring its flaws intentionally trying to mislead people.

It became painfully clear to be that she was trying to compensate for her lack of analysis of what was going on in the game, and so was it clear to me that our budget was a full of bad spending etcwhich the politicians tried to make look invisible by praising the small parts that were actually good so often."

Everything he has mentioned in this is completely valid and is very easy to work on with the help that you have available to you!