[JacziE]

The thing is Unstable, if the voices of masses (which will always be the westerners) dislike asian accents which Kelly only BARELY has, does it mean we asians, never get to cast professional games because of our accents?

I don't want to sound too negative about this but, I would like to be inclined to say YES in a broad spectrum - largely including things outside of gaming. If we take real sports for example, which has been around for a loooong time, there is really very little chance that they would hire someone with even a moderate Asian accent to broadcast on TV.

Gaming is actually already INCREDIBLY accepting towards accents - people like Kelly, Ipp, etc. all cast on their own personal channels. I ADORED KLAZART. People complain little on these, because it his their own stream, their own turf. However, when you add to the mix a event considered to be the top-tier, prestigious and top of the line; they expect a certain level of calibre that people can look up to. You want to see the Day9's, DJWheat's, Tasteless up there to hold up to that very prestige. People are complaining because why should such an event be a testing ground for someone who is unproven?

I hate using myself as an example, but I have casted some really awesome offline tournaments in the past for Warcraft III - eg. BlizzCon or GGL in Korea multiple times. Do I think I am suitable for it? No dude, I think my voice is shrill as hell, murder for some people; and my accent is far from perfect, on top of that, I also have a slight lisp to top everything off.

When people come to me to ask these events, the first thing I say to them is: "ARE YOU SURE? I'm pretty terrible." Because I know I have absolutely no talent to be the next big broadcaster/shoutcaster, this I know for sure. I do not have the voice, nor the charisma to be amazing to listen to. I did shoutcasting way back then (2006-2008) because I was deeply ingrained in the WC3 community and it was something I did to provide a service, rather than a personal gain fame or money. I never aspired to be a professional shoutcaster. I never asked for payment or a salary, because I-am-not-a-professional-caster and I will never call myself as such due to the reasons outlined above.

BUT the main difference here is, back in WC3, there was a complete lack of people who used to do this because they know they can never get the same number of hits, nor the following which SC2 has right now -- the scene in SC2 is apeshit insane for such a short amount of time. Shoutcasters are a penny a dozen compared to WC3 (lucky for me!) -- so I think it's not unfair that people would prefer a neutral accent on an event they consider to be of the highest level.

So I'd be perfectly candid, and Kelly is a friend of mine IRL, that I think she is not up to par for GSL standards because people are expecting the best from GSL. I laugh at the memes, I laugh at duck shrine, because they are freaking hilarous, friend or no friend. And this is OK - because if GSL was any other backyard production then no one would even make a big deal out of this. BUT... I'm REALLY happy for Kelly that she is casting in GSL, because this is basically living her dream and something she really wanted to do every since StarCraft came out. All transpiring events became pretty fortuitous that led her to get that spot. Let's not rag on someone who has decided to DO SOMETHING THEY WANT TO DO.

So I think this entire post has derailed from my original quote, and has become longer than all my posts in the forum combined. ;>

Anyway, being an old fogey in the gaming community - I would just like to say, please don't be malicious in the words you say or use. If we dislike a caster, it is our right; but disliking/hating can be done with taste, no need to lash out at people.

[Yoz]

Originally Posted by JacziE

Gaming is actually already INCREDIBLY accepting towards accents - people like Kelly, Ipp, etc. all cast on their own personal channels. I ADORED KLAZART. People complain little on these, because it his their own stream, their own turf. However, when you add to the mix a event considered to be the top-tier, prestigious and top of the line; they expect a certain level of calibre that people can look up to. You want to see the Day9's, DJWheat's, Tasteless up there to hold up to that very prestige. People are complaining because why should such an event be a testing ground for someone who is unproven?

I hate using myself as an example, but I have casted some really awesome offline tournaments in the past for Warcraft III - eg. BlizzCon or GGL in Korea multiple times. Do I think I am suitable for it? No dude, I think my voice is shrill as hell, murder for some people; and my accent is far from perfect, on top of that, I also have a slight lisp to top everything off.

Just Uke along with your commentary and your accent is less noticeable.

And it's funny because there's casters on GLHF.tv and stuff whose accents add personality to the cast. However, Singaporean/Malaysian accents probably rate somewhere near the worst in the world for casting.

Not everyone is bad though, I mean an interview of Linda Liao popped up on Facebook and I expected to hear some pretty terrible English, but overall her accent is far more comprehendible than Kelly's even though I'm pretty certain that Linda's overall English would be worse.

[Zenyu]

I just want to know the story of how you got the name "KellyMilkies"

[Skitz]

Originally Posted by Zenyu

I just want to know the story of how you got the name "KellyMilkies"

Somebody explain to me how she got the name fuckslits first :S

GL tonight Kelly ^^

[Mukade]

I'm so angry? Good luck casting code A

[HuT]

HDstarcraft is Asian.

/thread.

[JacziE]

Asians who are born/raised in the US are an entirely different subset. Yoz is Asian but hardly sounds what he looks.. (he he he)

And Linda grew up in Canada, so again...

[Yoz]

Originally Posted by JacziE

Asians who are born/raised in the US are an entirely different subset. Yoz is Asian but hardly sounds what he looks.. (he he he)

And Linda grew up in Canada, so again...

You sound younger than you look!

[Zafhir]

Go! Kelly! You are getting success and getting people that is jealous of you is a sign of it.

[SkyBreaker]

Two days till we see GLade defeat ZeNEXJJUN, oo yeah! GL Kelly & GLade!

[protoss-my-salad]

Hey Kelly, hope you're still reading this thread.

I must say, at first I was a big stickler of you casting code A. The first week, I couldn't handle it. I don't think you did very well that first week.

However I am watching last nights code A and I must say, I see improvement. I really didn't think you could do it, and showing improvement in only 1 day, that's really impressive so hats off to you. The whole stim-talk thing.. didn't even notice that once. Very good job controlling that.

I do have some gripes still that I think you could really easily fix...

1. You still keep calling the players by their race, ie. The terran is moving out, when it should be Virus or ST_Virus is moving out (no need to say the team really). You never said Zerg for Moon, but that's probably because I'm sure you've casted Moon a lot. This is really my number 1 problem.

2. This is a big one for me anyway, you seem to like saying "he was like this...". I don't know if it's a girl thing lol, but the whole "he was all like this with that".

3. You also sometimes state the obvious and keep talking about it. On the moon game, you said Moon likes to go bangling, muta.. well yeah that's what every Zerg does and you said he could scout with an overlord.. Then on ST_ACE v. Coca at the end you were like I think the Zerg players got this, right after he took out Ace only mining base and lost his whole army, of course he had it.

Anyway last one is kind just something annoys me, it's noob friendly to say that kind of stuff, but honestly do that many noobs watch the GSL?

I haven't seen all the games yet, but Kelly you are doing an OK job. With some more practice I think you could do well here. I'm still not convinced 100%, but I do feel bad about all the hate you've been getting. I hope it gets better for you, because that's just hard to get better when everyone is basically telling you that you never can.

I'm really looking forward to seeing you with Artosis, I actually think the two of you will work better than Tasteless and you. It's too bad he is sick, though. Anyway just keep learning, I'd suggest even trying to play some on korean ladder and find out what builds are current. That's the stuff we like to hear, new strats and build orders going on. Keep it up HF GL XD.

Oh yeah I heard Moletrap is coming to Korea... know anything about that?

[bovineblitz]

Originally Posted by protoss-my-salad

However I am watching last nights code A and I must say, I see improvement. I really didn't think you could do it, and showing improvement in only 1 day, that's really impressive so hats off to you. The whole stim-talk thing.. didn't even notice that once. Very good job controlling that.

I was thinking the same thing, then I watched YugiOh vs Leenock.

I was really frustrated with Kelly's casting. Beyond the things that have been brought up before (talking about obvious things for too long, echoing tasteless, calling players by colors makes it feel like she's unfamiliar with the players, etc) some stuff she said was just straight up in accurate. The most glaring example was game 2 at the end when she definitively said YugiOh had no upgrades but he actually had 2-1 (while she said that the observer clicked on one of YugiOh's roaches, lol). Another was saying speedling upgrade + banelings nest = speed banes. She was saying (and reiterated later) that Leenock could've ended the game at 17min, but there's no way his roach army could've broken the spines/roaches/infestors of YugiOh. Also, not every natural expansion is a fast expansion. There were a couple more things but I don't feel like rewatching just for the sake of criticism.

She seemed a little better in terms of theory in the previous games, idk what happened that made the casting of the last match weaker.

To be fair, the observer was horrible at the beginning of the last GSL and now does a really good job and even occasionally brings viewers' attention to important things, so there's definitely a learning curve to casting live with the pressure of so many viewers and TL.

[Zenyu]

Why do they not call you kellyMILKIES on the the cast? They just call you Kelly. You call Tasteless by his nickname so curious why they don't call you by your nickname?

[protoss-my-salad]

Originally Posted by Zenyu

Why do they not call you kellyMILKIES on the the cast? They just call you Kelly. You call Tasteless by his nickname so curious why they don't call you by your nickname?

LOL

I'm pretty sure they don't say it on-air because Milkies is slang for boobs, tits, titties, breasts, boob milk. They could always use her blog name FUCKSLITS..

Wait probably not XD

[ke_ivan]

That would just be so funny if they used her names... Tasteless would have a field day and Kelly can make some jokes out of her names too haha. I would laugh so hard.

Kelly, you're doing a great job! More relaxed this time! Keep improving!

[littlemozart]

Hi kelly.

Over the game of leenock vs yugioh, you kept using blue zerg/red zerg, instead of their names.
example :"the red zerg has gotten a baneling nest"
well it may seem alright to you, but as viewers, we have to take the initiative to find out who the red zerg is, which imo, isnt nice
note to improve :use the players name instead of their colours/race

Also, im not sure if its professional to use the term "toss" ie "the toss is getting his expansion" for such a big event like the GSL. then again, if u have used the player names instead of their race, problem solved.

At the same time, your self marketing is a major concern. your image isnt very nice due to the milkies/fuckslits. how do u reach out to the people outside sea, how do u gain their support/love? there are young kids out there playing SC2 as well, mind you.

Sorry if this sounded harsh, but i do hope u take into regard

[kellyMILKIES]

Mozart,

To address some of your issues. The terms I use have been discussed prior to the cast. I am suppose to say blue / red zerg because for people it will be easier to see on the screen. As viewers, there is always going to be 2 side, example "Why does she keep saying leenock, I have to scroll over to see what their names are."
^ example shows that there is going to be different response to how I call out the players.

I will keep in mind not to use Toss if you feel it's such a big issue. That can be fixed easily.

As for self marketing, fuckslits was my old blog name and mostly only my friends read it. I have since changed it to my nick name.
For Milkies, I am sorry. I don't see what the big deal is unless your mind is already set on it to be something other than a nick I used to use for a MMORPG named RoseOnline which then stuck.
It is not meant to be what you might be thinking it is -o-"
My friends all decided to use the nick name ****ies.
There were Drummies, Smarties, Yukies, Panties, Cookies, and I decided to use Milkies -o-
Hope that clears up some issues

Originally Posted by littlemozart

Hi kelly.

Over the game of leenock vs yugioh, you kept using blue zerg/red zerg, instead of their names.
example :"the red zerg has gotten a baneling nest"
well it may seem alright to you, but as viewers, we have to take the initiative to find out who the red zerg is, which imo, isnt nice
note to improve :use the players name instead of their colours/race

Also, im not sure if its professional to use the term "toss" ie "the toss is getting his expansion" for such a big event like the GSL. then again, if u have used the player names instead of their race, problem solved.

At the same time, your self marketing is a major concern. your image isnt very nice due to the milkies/fuckslits. how do u reach out to the people outside sea, how do u gain their support/love? there are young kids out there playing SC2 as well, mind you.

Sorry if this sounded harsh, but i do hope u take into regard

[protoss-my-salad]

Originally Posted by kellyMILKIES

Mozart,

To address some of your issues. The terms I use have been discussed prior to the cast. I am suppose to say blue / red zerg because for people it will be easier to see on the screen. As viewers, there is always going to be 2 side, example "Why does she keep saying leenock, I have to scroll over to see what their names are."
^ example shows that there is going to be different response to how I call out the players.

I will keep in mind not to use Toss if you feel it's such a big issue. That can be fixed easily.

As for self marketing, fuckslits was my old blog name and mostly only my friends read it. I have since changed it to my nick name.
For Milkies, I am sorry. I don't see what the big deal is unless your mind is already set on it to be something other than a nick I used to use for a MMORPG named RoseOnline which then stuck.
It is not meant to be what you might be thinking it is -o-"
My friends all decided to use the nick name ****ies.
There were Drummies, Smarties, Yukies, Panties, Cookies, and I decided to use Milkies -o-
Hope that clears up some issues

Are you really saying that the GOM staff wants you to not say the players names when you're casting, and just call them by what race they are?

I don't understand why they would want you to do that for Code A, when Artosis and Tasteless always use the players name during the cast. Also you're example of us having to scroll over the units to see the players name doesn't really make sense, since we can see the names on the top of the screen. It also shows what color and race they are along side there name.

Plus we don't even control the camera obviously so we wouldn't be able to scroll over the units to see the name in the first place. That is why they have the scoreboard thing on the top of the screen like I said.

I think you are doing a better job than you did on the first day. You've improved slowing down and not getting too excited.

It was funny Tasteless on game 3 Rain vs. Yeah when you said Tore and he laughed at you. You should smack him next time he does that.

Okay so... I just watched the moonglade vs zenexjjun and you almost never said Zerg player, you said his name. You didn't do the same for the "Terran player" aka ZenexJJun.

[RiceMuncher]

Alrite. IM NOT BASHING, just sayin what i think

Couple of things
- Should really stop saying whats REALLY obvious like - Haypros mutas are now trying to scout for information (repeat 3+ times), Zergs gona get banelings. like... we know. Its good to state it occasionally, but repeating it a couple of times in each game on a similar screen? Just no.

-If your commenting on a players style etc, dont use words like "always". use "most of the time or likely". "always" makes any commentators sound stupid.

- Try not to cut off Tasteles when he says stuff. unless its really important. So dont state the obvious when his saying something.. its really annoying (no offence). You'll notice that Tastees doesnt cut off you unless its rally important.

Basically should just watch your own casts on GSL. And well... criticise yourself.
Good luck.

P.S Dw about your accent.

[RiceMuncher]

O and try not to state your personal opinions on a player
e.g "I hope player X scouts this..."

instead " OOOo if player X doesnt scout this this could be bad"