[iM tgun]

Scaramanga, you're a douche.

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	Xenomorph:
	TABiggun:	she's a nice lady!
	TAScarecrow:	lol
	wolf:	counter rep, agreed

[TAScaramanga]

Originally Posted by tgun

Scaramanga, you're a douche.

What? Am I not entitled to my own opinion?

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by TAScaramanga

What? Am I not entitled to my own opinion?

Am I not allowed mine? It's that you're a douche.

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	syfChadMann:	-_________-
	Bash:	lol

[TAScaramanga]

Originally Posted by tgun

Am I not allowed mine? It's that you're a douche.

Is that because I think iaguz is better than you? You need to grow up :\

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by TAScaramanga

Is that because I think iaguz is better than you? You need to grow up :\

No, it's because you're a douche. You've constantly bm'd me both in the shoutbox and through rep. You are a douche. If you want to have your opinion that Iaguz is better than me, that's fine, but there is no need to put that on here.

Douche.

[NOM]

I was having a nice nap until deth threw his headset . almost had a heart attack.

It was fair enough he got angry, especially from the random framerate drops that everybody was experiencing from the last couple of rounds.

[inFeZa]

Originally Posted by NOM

I was having a nice nap until deth threw his headset . almost had a heart attack.

It was fair enough he got angry, especially from the random framerate drops that everybody was experiencing from the last couple of rounds.

Sleeping at an event?! Such bm! D:

But yeah framerate issues are terribly frustrating, and should not happen with SC2.

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NOM:

:P I just get so tired after eating nice a nice lunch. They experienced the same problem at the start of the event (before they started the rounds though)

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by NOM

I was having a nice nap until deth threw his headset . almost had a heart attack.

It was fair enough he got angry, especially from the random framerate drops that everybody was experiencing from the last couple of rounds.

I love deth, and whilst frustration and anger are definitely going to be a part of any loss, there's no "Fair enough" for having a tantrum and storming out of the event without gg'ing or even leaving the game, and even more so to a clan mate.

We've all been there getting losses that are ridiculously frustrating, and we've probably all no-gg'd online in tournaments occasionally and especially on ladder where no one really cares, but it was incredibly poor on deth's part to act he way he did in a live tournament setting.

edit; same obviously applies to tgun/shuffle if it is a similar situation, although obviously im not 100% sure what happened there.

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	Maynarde:
	nirvAnA:	respect for posting this.
	NOM:	Was really embarrassing how he reacted. Didn't really want to look for him, but I kinda had to :S
	Champi:	OMG UR SO BIASED TO TA U NEVER CALL THE OUT WHEN THEY DO WRONG ONLY OTHERS... o wait
	Fadey:
	HuT:
	simon:	LOL@champi
	Nemo:	Fair

[deL]

Everyone gets mad and has outbursts sometimes but tgun and shuffle are repeat offenders

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NvRossi:

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

PiG and mOOnGLaDe get very mad whenever they lose to players they feel they shouldn't be losing too.. But the difference is they never take it out on their opponent or disrespect them.

I was surprised to see how calm and collected glade was when he lost to TargA (not that losing to TargA is a bad thing - the guy played amazingly all day and told me afterwards that he prepared and played a lot for ACL Brisbane). But it wasn't losing to TargA but the fact that the loss to TargA put GLaDe in 3rd place. After being boned by Swiss bracket before GLaDe shrugged it off made a few jokes about how he shouldn't play Swiss... and happily came along with everyone to Korean BBQ afterwards..

TLR - GLaDe is a really mannered and clam player - part of his calmness you can attribute to why he is so good, imo - he is always calm and level headed in games and doesn't make mistakes in stressful situations.

anyway, some people put a lot of emotion into the game and when the result doesn't go the way they expected - they get quite upset.. that is only natural. However, it takes self control not to express that emotion openly to those around you. I guess the players that lash out with emotion will get better with their in-game emotion when they learn how to control these emotions... And - as far as I know, Shuffle was calm and cool all day long... didn't see him raging at all - but I wasn't sitting nearby...

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	nirvAnA:	+1 to glade being a total champ. hes an awesome role model for SEA imo
	[TA]LoSt:	This
	Fadey:

[TAminimat]

Anyway, some people put a lot of emotion into the game and when the result doesn't go the way they expected - they get quite upset.. that is only natural. However, it takes self control not to express that emotion openly to those around you. I guess the players that lash out with emotion will get better with their in-game emotion when they learn how to control these emotions... And - as far as I know, Shuffle was calm and cool all day long... didn't see him raging at all - but I wasn't sitting nearby...

He was shaking a bit a was pretty visibly mad from his body language but way more self control than usual.

[iM tgun]

Just want to point out that the second game, Iaguz also said "Infested marines op" and left without gg: not gging the games that don't matter (i.e. the first game in a 2-0, or either game in a 1-1) shouldn't be a big issue: it's like shaking hands inbetween sets in a game of tennis. We were also yelling at each-other midgame for fun.

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	simon:	that was to make light of your marine whinge in game 1. context please!
	mGGDrGooSe:	The point wasn't to say that he did it too, it was to say that the game was irrelevent. He's made the same point on stream many times

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by tgun

Just want to point out that the second game, Iaguz also said "Infested marines op" and left without gg: not gging the games that don't matter (i.e. the first game in a 2-0, or either game in a 1-1) shouldn't be a big issue: it's like shaking hands inbetween sets in a game of tennis. We were also yelling at each-other midgame for fun.

This is something i disagree with, people use the tennis handshake analogy because, in tennis, just how it is good sportsmanship and fully expected of you to shake hands at the end of the match, in starcraft it is fully expected of you and good sportsmanship to say gg at the end of every game, not just end of every series. You can't just decide to change the way things have been done in this community for over a decade because they do it slightly different in tennis dude.

edit: counter example, basketball playoffs, they play BoX series, i'm sure the teams shake hands at the end of every game, not just the end of the series-ending game.

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TABiggun:

100% correct

[Mayo]

Originally Posted by TAScaramanga

What? Am I not entitled to my own opinion?

Yes you are, but you went about it in a manner that seemed sarcastic and BM. (imo)

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	nirvAnA:
	Bash:

[Mayo]

Stop acting like children both of you, honestly.

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	TAScaramanga:	I'm acting in a responsible manner....
	zenabi:	counter rep. i agree with mayo here
	breadfan:
	FSDele:	Hard to disagree with the Mayo!
	PiG:	lol u just got called children by a cs player! SHammeeeee!
	ZC.EvilSWAT:	Mayo is delicious.

[inFeZa]

Lol.... i play ice hockey and i see incidents all the time that have less drama breaking a headset or calling something imba than breaking someones jaw in a fight T_T.

Kinda irrelevant but what I'm saying is get over it? We had our fun, it adds to the excitement of the tournament, and it makes the next game better (as long as theres not a giant lag spike to change the outcome of the game T_T)

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	nirvAnA:	have to respectfully disagree, we do not want this at events or players to start behaving like this as the norm
	nGenLight:	you've changed!
	Dox:	damn bro TA changed you

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by SQL.inFeZa

Lol.... i play ice hockey and i see incidents all the time that have less drama breaking a headset or calling something imba than breaking someones jaw in a fight T_T.

Kinda irrelevant but what I'm saying is get over it? We had our fun, it adds to the excitement of the tournament, and it makes the next game better (as long as theres not a giant lag spike to change the outcome of the game T_T)

Just quoting to say that I disagree with Nirvanas rep and would counter-rep if I could. Negrep shouldn't be put as a disagreement with someones opinion, it should be used when someone is abusive (but not to the point an infraction is warranted).

Originally Posted by TAScaramanga

I don't think I've had any interaction with you apart from in this thread. Can you show me such bad manner towards you so I know you're not just making this up? You on the other hand were streamed yesterday getting beaten and then being immature about it afterwards. If anyone's the douche here its you.

It's been on the chatbox: I don't exactly log every bad thing I've ever had said to me, you know. I'm definately the douche here, stepping forward to set the record straight and then having you randomly present your opinion where it's both un-necessary and rude. Yup. I've been a prick to many people and in many ways, but here, you need to shut the **** up.

Also, why is this thread not locked?

Originally Posted by NvPinder

This is something i disagree with, people use the tennis handshake analogy because, in tennis, just how it is good sportsmanship and fully expected of you to shake hands at the end of the match, in starcraft it is fully expected of you and good sportsmanship to say gg at the end of every game, not just end of every series. You can't just decide to change the way things have been done in this community for over a decade because they do it slightly different in tennis dude.

edit: counter example, basketball playoffs, they play BoX series, i'm sure the teams shake hands at the end of every game, not just the end of the series-ending game.

Just wanted to say your counter-example did make me sit here think about it for a moment and I can't do anything but agree. I just don't want people to get the wrong opinion when I don't gg a game in a series: I always say ggs wp at the end of a series -- It's not meant as bad manner, or to insult my opponent.

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Champi:

hopefully u end up gging after every game now. its really not that hard to type gg F10 n. its an automatic reflex for me, no thought process

[Apth]

Originally Posted by tgun

Just quoting to say that I disagree with Nirvanas rep and would counter-rep if I could. Negrep shouldn't be put as a disagreement with someones opinion, it should be used when someone is abusive (but not to the point an infraction is warranted).

Although this is slightly offtopic, I'd quite like to touch on this:

As far as I'm aware, the reputation system is designed to be literally that - how good a community member's reputation is given the value of their posts.

Using reputation to disagree, IMO, sort of defeats the purpose of the system. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, and I think disagreement is healthy - it shouldn't affect the reputation of the poster.

Negative reputation should probably be reserved, like tgun mentioned, for abusive posts, or posts with no constructive value.

Disagreeing with someone via a reply, rather than negative rep, allows a more expansive discussion, which is what a forum environment is for.

./2c

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	nirvAnA:	amazing 2c as always
	NvPinder:	i disagree.
	Stallion:	LOL at pinder :P counter rep as he did to be funny im sure
	nGenLight:	Using reputation to agree, would be the exact same argument, see garbage posts by good players that get repped to no ends.
	inFeZa:	damnit pinder beat me to the joke.
	simon:	sigh

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Apth

Although this is slightly offtopic, I'd quite like to touch on this:

As far as I'm aware, the reputation system is designed to be literally that - how good a community member's reputation is given the value of their posts.

Using reputation to disagree, IMO, sort of defeats the purpose of the system. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, and I think disagreement is healthy - it shouldn't affect the reputation of the poster.

Negative reputation should probably be reserved, like tgun mentioned, for abusive posts, or posts with no constructive value.

Disagreeing with someone via a reply, rather than negative rep, allows a more expansive discussion, which is what a forum environment is for.

./2c

I agree with you: my problem was, someone could generally be a good member of the community and suggest ideas and receive negative reputation because people would disagree; they would be receiving negative rep purely for suggesting things, not for being abusive / generally a bad person.

[TAScaramanga]

Originally Posted by tgun

Just quoting to say that I disagree with Nirvanas rep and would counter-rep if I could. Negrep shouldn't be put as a disagreement with someones opinion, it should be used when someone is abusive (but not to the point an infraction is warranted).



It's been on the chatbox: I don't exactly log every bad thing I've ever had said to me, you know. I'm definately the douche here, stepping forward to set the record straight and then having you randomly present your opinion where it's both un-necessary and rude. Yup. I've been a prick to many people and in many ways, but here, you need to shut the **** up.

Also, why is this thread not locked?




Just wanted to say your counter-example did make me sit here think about it for a moment and I can't do anything but agree. I just don't want people to get the wrong opinion when I don't gg a game in a series: I always say ggs wp at the end of a series -- It's not meant as bad manner, or to insult my opponent.

Ive used the chat box less than 3 times. You say I've bmed you in a medium I don't use. Why do you have to lie?