[Xeen]

Promotion is MMR based, not point based.

A lot of newer accounts that have rapidly increased MMR due to their starting winstreaks get into Masters with only a few hundred points.

[sunsetkid]

Originally Posted by Xeen

Promotion is MMR based, not point based.

A lot of newer accounts that have rapidly increased MMR due to their starting winstreaks get into Masters with only a few hundred points.

yes, but when you look at the bonus pool of such players, its invariably around 2000 or more.
after you add up bonus pool, the total points around around 2600 for master for new promotees.

so points(bonus+actual) would likely reflect the mmr

[sunsetkid]

Originally Posted by dennistoo

How do you analysis by division rank? Can you help me do a analysis based on your calculation?

ranking within the same division does not matter at all. you can be top 10 but close to demotion. if you are talking about division tiers, i think your division is E rank. if you are in a E rank division, your division offset from S rank is 312 pts. meaning your 2700(after adding bonus) would be equal to a 2388 point S rank division. this would mean 2238 master. now, no one in master(after adding bonus) is lower than 2238 because they would have been demoted long ago.
there may be some masters who are 24xx who are playing diamonds and in danger of demotion, so just beating these guys alone isn't enough.

for you to promote, you will probably need to hit the points that would give you around 2650+ master/2800+ S rank/3112 E rank.

so at 2700, you are almost certainly still playing diamonds and established platinums since you are at an established E rank level and with so many games+being around the points level where people newly get promoted. i'd go so far to venture that you are very far from master league. unless you can win a significant proportion of your games from now on, you will stay in diamond.

note that with every passing day, you need to add 12 to that number as 1 point is generated every 2 hrs.

[Aean(:]

@sunsetkid, i understood nothing you just said. -_- goddamn bringing maths into sc2 doesnt work too well.

[sunsetkid]

okok. to make things simple, SiF is close to being promoted while dennistoo is nowhere near there yet.

[SayfT]

its much harder getting to masters on sea due to the amount of players available. for me, i face a couple of masters players on sea as 'equal' or 'opponent slightly favored', i lose some, i win some but then i get a streak of 4-6 'you are slightly favored' vs players that i manage to lose to quiet a lot and thus losing 50+ points + the mmr loss and have to climb all the way back up only to face 'you are slightly favored again'

So due to the lack of player pool available on sea i simply use sea as warm up before going to NA....maybe I should play on saturdays on sea :> more people perhaps.

[SiF]

Thanks Sunset. So I'm a B rank diamond which has a modifier of +126 points. The modifier means my 2750pts is actually 2624pts. Adjust that score with my remaining bonus pool*win% and I'm on 2662.

This means that even though I'm not at the top of the diamond league table I'm still close to promotion. The two things I have to do is get more points but more importantly lift my W% to around 55% so my MMR and my MAx increase.
Cheers for the help dude.

Dennistoo - there are the division rankings here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=169830

[SiF]

Ok so I still wanted to know more and the guys on bnet said check out this link:

http://sc2mmr.blogspot.com/

So this according to the blog I can work out my MMR, my Division Modifier, and how many games it'll take to get into Master League.

MMR
P = Rank Points
U = Unspent Bonus Pool
B = Total Bonus Pool (2669 as of 12:21PM KST*)
W = Win Percentage
M = Magic Number
Pp = Rank Point Differential (This is what we're calculating)

What division am I in? Pp = P + U*W*2 - B

My division is: 2739 + 54*52%*2 - 2669 = 126.16 - which means my modifier is +126.
+126 = Diamond B

To work out how many games it'll take to get into Masters with my current win%:
W = Win %
Pp = Rank Point Differential
M = Magic Number
A = Average Win (bonus pool adjusted)*
B = Average Loss
G = Games required for promotion. (This is what we're calculating.)

G = 5 + [M - Pp] / [W*A + (W-1)*B]
How many games will it take? = 5+[475-126] / 52%*3 + (52%-1)*11 = 354 / 1.56 + 5.61 = 232 games

Now if I can increase my win rate to 58% it changes to: 354 / 1.74 + 6.27 = 210 games


There is another factor though that could make this a lot less games. This factor is your Moving average. For example if I win 20 straight games the system will calculate that my current skill level is too easy and therefore promote me.

So I've won 5 in a row - now for the other 15 lulz...

Does the above sound right guys?

[DRFT]

what kind of a question is this? i think its more a matter of IF you CAN make not not IF you SHOULD....... wat r u guna do? start losing games on purpose so u dont promote to master? sad...

[dennistoo]

Originally Posted by DRFT

what kind of a question is this? i think its more a matter of IF you CAN make not not IF you SHOULD....... wat r u guna do? start losing games on purpose so u dont promote to master? sad...

*cough* okay, i misinterpret. "is it worth the time" to try to promote to master?

[DRFT]

still a strange question...... i think u shud answer that yourself.......

[dennistoo]

Originally Posted by DRFT

still a strange question...... i think u shud answer that yourself.......

nothing strange. this is just a question to seek opinion from others whether is it worth to try master with no pun intended.

[DRFT]

well i thought it would be logical to reason that out for yourself since no one here knows your situation

[sunsetkid]

Originally Posted by dennistoo

*cough* okay, i misinterpret. "is it worth the time" to try to promote to master?

actually, to be honest, at your current skill level of around 27xx, it is going to be very hard to promote.

[SiF]

SEA League Breakdown

League distribution
Master 0.6% (532)
Diamond 5.8% (5,254)
Platinum 9.1% (8,332)
Gold 13.5% (12,331)
Silver 18.6% (16,931)
Bronze 52.4% (47,746)

[sunsetkid]

don't worry. the number of masters will increase. this i GUARANTEE you. the number of diamonds when sc2 was released wasn't that great. these days, diamonds are everywhere.

24h after the master league was released, there were 2 master divisions. a week later, 3. a month later, 6. there will be over 10 by year end. room for everyone guys!!! haha

[Crankenstein]

Originally Posted by SiF

SEA League Breakdown

League distribution
Master 0.6% (532)
Diamond 5.8% (5,254)
Platinum 9.1% (8,332)
Gold 13.5% (12,331)
Silver 18.6% (16,931)
Bronze 52.4% (47,746)

Is that true? I thought the leagues were 2/18/20/20/20/20

[SiF]

Nope. They're formed like a pyramid.

Here are the NA stats:
Masters 0.9% (6,224)
Diamond 7.4% (52,163)
Plat 13.0% (91,798)
Gold 16.4% (116,175)
Silver 17.9% (126,535)
Bronze 44.4% (313,930)

[sunsetkid]

Originally Posted by SiF

Ok so I still wanted to know more and the guys on bnet said check out this link:

http://sc2mmr.blogspot.com/

So this according to the blog I can work out my MMR, my Division Modifier, and how many games it'll take to get into Master League.

MMR
P = Rank Points
U = Unspent Bonus Pool
B = Total Bonus Pool (2669 as of 12:21PM KST*)
W = Win Percentage
M = Magic Number
Pp = Rank Point Differential (This is what we're calculating)

What division am I in? Pp = P + U*W*2 - B

My division is: 2739 + 54*52%*2 - 2669 = 126.16 - which means my modifier is +126.
+126 = Diamond B

To work out how many games it'll take to get into Masters with my current win%:
W = Win %
Pp = Rank Point Differential
M = Magic Number
A = Average Win (bonus pool adjusted)*
B = Average Loss
G = Games required for promotion. (This is what we're calculating.)

G = 5 + [M - Pp] / [W*A + (W-1)*B]
How many games will it take? = 5+[475-126] / 52%*3 + (52%-1)*11 = 354 / 1.56 + 5.61 = 232 games

Now if I can increase my win rate to 58% it changes to: 354 / 1.74 + 6.27 = 210 games


There is another factor though that could make this a lot less games. This factor is your Moving average. For example if I win 20 straight games the system will calculate that my current skill level is too easy and therefore promote me.

So I've won 5 in a row - now for the other 15 lulz...

Does the above sound right guys?

yes correct. its quite a bit of math involved, and makes some assumptions, like a constant win-loss rate. whoever wrote the blog is obviously very much a genius. the bonus pool and division tiers serve to make calculations more difficult and confusing.

of note is: constant laddering with no improvement in skill is not going to improve the MMR nor improve promotion chances(of course it can be argued that the more you ladder, the more you learn and improve)

for myself, i'd say that i have improved to around S or A rank diamond level since I first got promoted, but not enough to get master yet.

and for those desperate to get promotions without taking the time and effort, here are some other ways to do so.

1. Maphack
- this is illegal and can get you banned. but i'm certain some people still use it, esp if its just a minimap hack i don't think it can get caught since you won't be camera-panning all day long at the other fellow's base

2. Get someone to play on your account
- people are offering to do it for just USD 20 in ebay
- make friends who are willing to play for you
- only problem is it gets kinda obvious to those around you. 20-30 game winstreaks all of a sudden. the build order and timings shown in the match history which are visible to everyone. your reaction time is almost always fixed. meaning if you usually make your probe at the 3 sec mark, you will make it at the 3 sec mark for almost all games. if someone plays for you and is better, you may well see the probe being constantly made at the 1 sec mark. macro and decision making can improve, but dexterity is very difficult to change overnight.

3. Win-trade yourself
- if you are high diamond and refuse to slog out another 100-200 games, go borrow another acct and play it to your level. then wake up at 4am when there is no one on the ladder and keep on matching yourself for free wins. you'll be matched against yourself since your skill level is the same and you are the only nut awake searching for ladder games on SEA in those 10 or so secs. once you have lost enough games on the loser acct, use it to ladder back up. Rinse and repeat. 20 games later...master icon! and now you can start doing it for the other account the other way round.

[ZoomDog]

Originally Posted by SiF

Nope. They're formed like a pyramid.

Here are the NA stats:
Masters 0.9% (6,224)
Diamond 7.4% (52,163)
Plat 13.0% (91,798)
Gold 16.4% (116,175)
Silver 17.9% (126,535)
Bronze 44.4% (313,930)

That's every account that's completed the 5 placement games. If you exclude "inactive" accounts (only Blizzard knowing what exactly counts as inactive), the ratio pretty close to 20/20/20/20/20.

Originally Posted by sunsetkid

3. Win-trade yourself
- if you are high diamond and refuse to slog out another 100-200 games, go borrow another acct and play it to your level. then wake up at 4am when there is no one on the ladder and keep on matching yourself for free wins.

I vaguely remember reading that they count this as abusing the system, and could get you temp banned. I wouldn't recommend it.