[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by [TA]LoSt

We get along dude, I have no problems with you and I apologize for calling your clan not a clan (I didn't know) but the rest of your post just makes me sad. It's been spoken about and that's all I was after; an explanation..

The pot/kettle thing was that tier 4 was conceptually for PD players but your clans T4 team is stacked with Masters, similar how your clans Tier 5 (conceptually BSG) started off with a good number of Plats and now even has diamonds (nothing against them congrats on the promotions) so it was its a little annoying when people (not just you) bag out ZC for having 1 guy who has gotten a little too good for what T4 was intended for (yeah no league restrictions etc)

Yeah suman didnt respond correctly while I dont agree with his response/troll (and even he says it was dumb of him) I can totally understand why he'd lose his stack

I think moving forward from this, no doubt next season rules can be put in place to accommodate issues like this, next season suman is looking to field a T3 team and I will probably look at fielding a T4 and T5 team again so if admins feel a player in our ranks is too strong we'll be happy to move him up a Tier

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Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

The pot/kettle thing was that tier 4 was conceptually for PD players but your clans T4 team is stacked with Masters

We started off with no masters and decided to field in one seeing that a bunch of other teams fielded in some.
Almost all of our active players got promotions, cept for me I just went backwards

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ToR.Arnor:

too much Dota ^_^

[[TA]LoSt]

Originally Posted by VB_Rhuubarb

There is a 2-3 week gap where he doesn't ladder (starts laddering again 3 weeks ago, which shows why he didn't finish high on the ladder S5) and comes back with a massive winning stream. So he's probably got another account to practice on (maybe on a different server), unless you are inferring something else. His lack of games this season, and the link you posted which claims he plays against players like Catz and inControL points to the fact that he probably practices on a different server now.

Regarding what you quoted me on, it's been nearly 2 months, seeing as I beat him in week 1 and it's now week 9 (as per the title of this thread). It's not as if he's been perfect in this league too, he does have a winning record but he's had a TONNE of walkovers and a couple of losses, one fairly recently too. As the T4 admins have stated, there were no league restrictions, and there wasn't a problem with Nightmare at the start of the season. So why are you bringing this up now?

@ You and all those that are still replying with "get over it", I haven't pressed the issue ONCE since Lemminks replied to the thread with an explanation. The fact you posted AFTER he replied was unnecessary and that's why I commented on your post/opinion alone, not the whole situation. 48-14 isn't a lack of games this season, and the fact is hes boasting a 75% win ratio in grandmaster, something very few of even the top GM's can hold consistently. His lost was against Flar wasn't it? Lol. I'm not pressing the issue any more, it's been commented on by the admin and I'm happy that he took the time to reply before it got out of hand. You don't need to bring it up anymore, it's done.

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Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

The pot/kettle thing was that tier 4 was conceptually for PD players but your clans T4 team is stacked with Masters, similar how your clans Tier 5 (conceptually BSG) started off with a good number of Plats and now even has diamonds (nothing against them congrats on the promotions) so it was its a little annoying when people (not just you) bag out ZC for having 1 guy who has gotten a little too good for what T4 was intended for (yeah no league restrictions etc)

Yeah suman didnt respond correctly while I dont agree with his response/troll (and even he says it was dumb of him) I can totally understand why he'd lose his stack

I think moving forward from this, no doubt next season rules can be put in place to accommodate issues like this, next season suman is looking to field a T3 team and I will probably look at fielding a T4 and T5 team again so if admins feel a player in our ranks is too strong we'll be happy to move him up a Tier

The only reason our T4 had any masters players to begin with (Divinity being the only one) is because all the other teams were stacked with Masters. You don't know the full story, but we had a massive argument (I was actually the person leading the argument) against the people who wanted the T5 team to be stacked with plats. I made sure this wasn't the case for not only Edarus and everyone in T5's sake, but because they belonged in T4.

In tier 2, TA is on the opposing end of this stick; with theoretically 2 gm's that can play weekly + dippa whose games have to be rescheduled, competing with full-GM teams is tough and in my personal opinion we belonged in T3 from the start, however that's not the issue and I'm happy we're competing with these teams as I'm sure other T4 teams are the same when they take games off better players in their own tier.

I don't think it was the pot calling the kettle black as I was a massive influence on who belonged in what TA team, trying to get the teams as fair as possible in terms of their divisions and the tier they competed in. I guess I'm just a big believer in fair play and that's why I brought this issue up in the first place.

Peace.

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[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by [TA]LoSt

I don't think it was the pot calling the kettle black as I was a massive influence on who belonged in what TA team, trying to get the teams as fair as possible in terms of their divisions and the tier they competed in. I guess I'm just a big believer in fair play and that's why I brought this issue up in the first place.

Peace.

fair enough sorry for having a go at you thanks for taking the time to give me a little insight into it all

You need to start streaming again though bro T_T

peace

[VB_Rhuubarb]

Originally Posted by [TA]LoSt

@ You and all those that are still replying with "get over it", I haven't pressed the issue ONCE since Lemminks replied to the thread with an explanation. The fact you posted AFTER he replied was unnecessary and that's why I commented on your post/opinion alone, not the whole situation. 48-14 isn't a lack of games this season, and the fact is hes boasting a 75% win ratio in grandmaster, something very few of even the top GM's can hold consistently. His lost was against Flar wasn't it? Lol. I'm not pressing the issue any more, it's been commented on by the admin and I'm happy that he took the time to reply before it got out of hand. You don't need to bring it up anymore, it's done.

I hardly feel as showing support for someone I played against is unnecessary, seeing as I have had experience with him. Also actually playing for and managing a team in t4, I felt like my opinion would provide some insight on how actual T4 players felt about him and that it was pretty cool for me to have beaten someone who would later become a GM. It also gives me hope that one day I could become as he is now. Which is a factor in these lower league, trying to improve ourselves and being able to compare our progression to others who were originally similar to us.

I would call quoting me on that, pressing the issue (after an admins post).