[nGenLight]

Originally Posted by Nemo

Do I understand you faked hacking to prove searching for such evidence of maphack is wrong ? People usually are not faking maphacking. No accused people ever tried to pretend that. I'm not even certain that you could really trick us because the real evidences are when the hacker react every time opponent is doing something and at no other moment. And if you're faking maphack you can't obviously do that. If you're interested in my methods, we can watch together Ghosts 4 games and I'm interested to hear what you think about what I found and what you find in those games.


Well, Ghost never made a Obs in the 2 games he hacked in where he had a robo (only one in end game when there was a unscouted Ghost Academy thrown down by Timber) ...
But if you make a obs to scout it's already a good sign of not maphacking. Then if you can't scout (or don't want) and make assumptions, you will let some troops and cannons were you think there are danger. But if you don't scout, don't prepare for anything, then prepare yourself every time he's out without you seeing anything, then there is something fishy. The problem of Ghost was that he was not preparing for anything, never scouted and was never caught offgard.
Watch those with me, I'm interested in your opinion.

Don't get me wrong, I think you are doing an amazing job and putting in an incredible amount of effort doing these analysis, and it's certainly doing much more good than anything. I really don't have the time to determine if this guy is hacking or not but just from the posts I can tell that his actions are extremely suspicious and definitely worthy of discussion.

What I was trying to say is that, no matter how suspicious someone is, it is impossible to pinpoint someone as hacking. Let me give an example: I spawn on Shakuras Plateau PvP, I constantly check one of the two possible spawn locations of my opponent, I blindly proxy gate near the spawning location I was checking, I proceed to two gate and win. I do this for 10 games in a row. 5 of these games I would be called out for "blatant hacking" when I'm just doing something completely retarded and risky. This is what I mean by no matter how suspicious someone is, there are no conclusive evidence.

Regarding the Diamond protoss player that went 4 cannons against a Possible Roach rush. There is by far not enough evidence to even classify him as suspicious.

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

What I was trying to say is that, no matter how suspicious someone is, it is impossible to pinpoint someone as hacking. Let me give an example: I spawn on Shakuras Plateau PvP, I constantly check one of the two possible spawn locations of my opponent, I blindly proxy gate near the spawning location I was checking, I proceed to two gate and win. I do this for 10 games in a row. 5 of these games I would be called out for "blatant hacking" when I'm just doing something completely retarded and risky. This is what I mean by no matter how suspicious someone is, there are no conclusive evidence.

no one reasonable is suggesting something like that example would be enough to call them a 'blatant hacker'

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nGenLight:

I had someone do sumfing like that to me 2 games in a row, pretty sure he was hacking

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

Don't get me wrong, I think you are doing an amazing job and putting in an incredible amount of effort doing these analysis, and it's certainly doing much more good than anything. I really don't have the time to determine if this guy is hacking or not but just from the posts I can tell that his actions are extremely suspicious and definitely worthy of discussion.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

What I was trying to say is that, no matter how suspicious someone is, it is impossible to pinpoint someone as hacking. Let me give an example: I spawn on Shakuras Plateau PvP, I constantly check one of the two possible spawn locations of my opponent, I blindly proxy gate near the spawning location I was checking, I proceed to two gate and win. I do this for 10 games in a row. 5 of these games I would be called out for "blatant hacking" when I'm just doing something completely retarded and risky. This is what I mean by no matter how suspicious someone is, there are no conclusive evidence.

It's the accumulation of evidence that make proof. It's a question of statistic. If a slightly suspicious move has 80% chance of being luck or game sense and 20% chance of being Map Hack, then if you have 10 consecutive occurrences of it, then the odds become (80%)Exp8 = 10,7% of chance it's still luck. And if in 2 games like that it becomes 10,7%*10,7% = 1,1% of chance it's luck.

You can't be that precise of course in measuring luck and hack probability but it's to illustrate the process of accumulation.

If you're doing blind proxy gates systematically, you give your last 3 replays of PVP on Shakuras and all suspicion is lifted.

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

Regarding the Diamond protoss player that went 4 cannons against a Possible Roach rush. There is by far not enough evidence to even classify him as suspicious.

I have watched the replay. It's a too short game to have any conclusion about this.

Meatex was still right to post it. That's curious enough to be attentive in the future. I'm pretty sure our process is not going to condemn an innocent guy. They have the possibility to defend themselves.