[Xenomorph]

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

I really dont mind the favoritism on stream so much.

What i think is fark up is that Benji chose to take the walk over in this todays match against inFi. If what i heard was correct, inFi asked for a reschedule and benji rejected it. I suspect the reason for it is because of targa's epic humour post somewhr im not gonna link you.

I dont see why a reschedule is not possible since the xGKing guys play almost every night anyways. Some of them didnt even know they are not playing today and getting the walk over iirc. So yeah, dont be bitch. Not only is it unfair to the inFi guys, its unfair to ppl like me who are looking forward to the games. Also, do u want this to set a precedent where teams will reject reschedules hoping to get a walk over?

I hope you saw my post earlier with the Soulman story, so very similar =_=

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

I don't see why the point of this, doesn't it just opens the possibility to abuse?

Yes it opens the possibility to abuse the system. I just think/hope nobody will try to abuse.

If you don't like this rule we'll remove it for next season

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by Frogmite

Yes it opens the possibility to abuse the system. I just think/hope nobody will try to abuse.

If you don't like this rule we'll remove it for next season

but why not just have it as 6-0 instead of 4-0 so theres no possibility at all?

[nirvAnA]

Shortizz the timeline was like this -

Benji didn't want to accept reschedule (not obligatory, but every single team so far has given the other team this courtesy and he also rejected them quite rudely)
TargA made that post after in anger after that (I understand his frustration but that was still rude by TargA)

Froggy decided to award the walkover to xGking however I am still trying to find an amicable resolution for this if benji allows it (since he has the right by the rules) as I was really looking forward to this match and so were most people in SEA I believe and walkovers are terrible in any competition. SEA Nation Wars and SEAL #1 had no walkovers and I'm very proud of that.

FWIW benji after this thread was made Benji did not like the tone of the responses so keep it civil guys or i'm just going to close / delete it as its going to stray from the point of this thread which is to help benji. Thanks.

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by xGKingMafia

but why not just have it as 6-0 instead of 4-0 so theres no possibility at all?

We'll decide with the admins actually. We didn't expect a walkover to be honest, so we have to re-think the rule. We'll inform the players ASAP. I didn't change the table yet.

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nirvAnA:

[wolf]

In my opinion it goes against the tight knit community feel and 'spirit of the tournament' we got going on here. As Shortizz stated you've now set a precedent that taking walkovers are fine. Instead of being a boss alpha male and rescheduling, it seems to me you've taken the easy way out.

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

I really dont mind the favoritism on stream so much.

What i think is fark up is that Benji chose to take the walk over in this todays match against inFi. If what i heard was correct, inFi asked for a reschedule and benji rejected it. I suspect the reason for it is because of targa's epic humour post somewhr im not gonna link you.

I dont see why a reschedule is not possible since the xGKing guys play almost every night anyways. Some of them didnt even know they are not playing today and getting the walk over iirc. So yeah, dont be bitch. Not only is it unfair to the inFi guys, its unfair to ppl like me who are looking forward to the games. Also, do u want this to set a precedent where teams will reject reschedules hoping to get a walk over?

IMO

Although I agree with almost everything people say, regarding this walk over thing, I don't really agree.

Asking for walkover is asking for a favour. And asking for a favour, getting rejected shouldn't mean to get angry about it. Ok saying this is very sad of me as I'm part of inFi too. BUT, I don't know, asking for a favour, getting rejected, and getting angry about it seems wrong.

And the rule says (if I'm not mistaken) if both teams not agree with reschedule, it ends in walkover. I agree completely with people about Benji being negative about the game more than positive, making offensive jokes etc etc, but rejecting a walkover doesn't seem like something that should be criticised.

I heard that inFi agreed to play in SEACL in regards to games being able to be flexible with the time, but xGKing clearly didn't know this and this is the fault of the admin (not stabbing at them in anyway. Just if this is the issue, Benji isn't the problem).

I don't know. I don't see how rejecting a favour is criticised.

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

IMO

Although I agree with almost everything people say, regarding this walk over thing, I don't really agree.

Asking for walkover is asking for a favour. And asking for a favour, getting rejected shouldn't mean to get angry about it. Ok saying this is very sad of me as I'm part of inFi too. BUT, I don't know, asking for a favour, getting rejected, and getting angry about it seems wrong.

And the rule says (if I'm not mistaken) if both teams not agree with reschedule, it ends in walkover. I agree completely with people about Benji being negative about the game more than positive, making offensive jokes etc etc, but rejecting a walkover doesn't seem like something that should be criticised.

I heard that inFi agreed to play in SEACL in regards to games being able to be flexible with the time, but xGKing clearly didn't know this and this is the fault of the admin (not stabbing at them in anyway. Just if this is the issue, Benji isn't the problem).

I don't know. I don't see how rejecting a favour is criticised.

I told inFi that we can work on re-schedule for their games and it's what we did for the first 5 weeks. Some of their games are still to be played. The thing is that they didn't even give roster and they ask on the monday night to re-schedule the 5 games for next week. The rules still stand. It's not fair for other teams to automatically allow re-schedules. I agree to help but i can't be the only one to make effort.

Don't put this on admins please i am sweating since day 1 to make inFi play all their games in SEACL.

Would like also to add something for all who criticize Benji on the fact to take the walkovers. You don't have to accept re-schedule, it's always nice to accept but in the end you put your team in trouble because the other team is not able to make it. Furthermore, Benji was informed on the monday night that the other team wanted to re-schedule, and not one game, but all of them, so not so easy to re-schedule. Finally, the "troublesome" post came up and then you find yourself in a position where the team who asks you for a favor just publicly calling you "a sad piece of shit". Not sure a lot of you would have accepted a re-schedule in those conditions.

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nirvAnA:

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by Frogmite

I told inFi that we can work on re-schedule for their games and it's what we did for the first 5 weeks. Some of their games are still to be played. The thing is that they didn't even give roster and they ask on the monday night to re-schedule the 5 games for next week. The rules still stand. It's not fair for other teams to automatically allow re-schedules. I agree to help but i am not baby-sitting.

Don't put this on admins please i am sweating since day 1 to make inFi play all their games so far.

As I said, I'm not putting this on admin. It's that the fact that we didn't know inFi has agreed to play this given that they can work on reschedule for games, is not Benji's fault at all.

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Frogmite:

Ok then

[Peleus]

If xGKing could say hand on heart that due to conflicts they can't reschedule then I wouldn't have any problem with the walk over. Yes you're asking for a favour, but the 'spirit of the competition' is to have fun and try and have good games with each other.

There is zero technically wrong according to the rules with that Benji did. Depending on the reason why he chose not to reschedule there may be nothing morally wrong either. But clearly if every other team has been able to constantly reschedule for other teams, work together for a fun league and to have a great competition I'm sure you can appreciate that a single team trying to follow the rules to the letter purely to get any advantage they can is against the 'spirit' of it.

Saying that, once more if there is a legit reason why it can't be rescheduled then fair enough, enjoy your win.

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wolf:

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by PeleusSPR

If xGKing could say hand on heart that due to conflicts they can't reschedule then I wouldn't have any problem with the walk over. Yes you're asking for a favour, but the 'spirit of the competition' is to have fun and try and have good games with each other.

There is zero technically wrong according to the rules with that Benji did. Depending on the reason why he chose not to reschedule there may be nothing morally wrong either. But clearly if every other team has been able to constantly reschedule for other teams, work together for a fun league and to have a great competition I'm sure you can appreciate that a single team trying to follow the rules to the letter purely to get any advantage they can is against the 'spirit' of it.

Saying that, once more if there is a legit reason why it can't be rescheduled then fair enough, enjoy your win.

I believe main reason he rejected was that he didn't want our games to be unplayed for the next 3 weeks which has happened already with other games and I think this reason is pretty reasonable.

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

IMO

Although I agree with almost everything people say, regarding this walk over thing, I don't really agree.

Asking for walkover is asking for a favour. And asking for a favour, getting rejected shouldn't mean to get angry about it. Ok saying this is very sad of me as I'm part of inFi too. BUT, I don't know, asking for a favour, getting rejected, and getting angry about it seems wrong.

And the rule says (if I'm not mistaken) if both teams not agree with reschedule, it ends in walkover. I agree completely with people about Benji being negative about the game more than positive, making offensive jokes etc etc, but rejecting a walkover doesn't seem like something that should be criticised.

I heard that inFi agreed to play in SEACL in regards to games being able to be flexible with the time, but xGKing clearly didn't know this and this is the fault of the admin (not stabbing at them in anyway. Just if this is the issue, Benji isn't the problem).

I don't know. I don't see how rejecting a favour is criticised.

Im not criticising him as a person or whatever, Im just criticising this decision.

I was looking forward to watch the match and im sure there are alot of other ppl like me. Thats why i feel that rejecting it just for the sake of it is retarded. If u have a reason to do so, by all means, take the win. If u can make it another day, why not? This is just 1 game and it can be played the next weekor anytime this week imo it wont hurt the schedule.

Also like i said, this sets the precedent, teams are more likely to take the ''walkover'' now. Many good games might be forfeited due to this and thats not a good thing for fans like me!

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

Im not criticising him as a person or whatever, Im just criticising this decision.

I was looking forward to watch the match and im sure there are alot of other ppl like me. Thats why i feel that rejecting it just for the sake of it is retarded. If u have a reason to do so, by all means, take the win. If u can make it another day, why not? This is just 1 game and it can be played the next weekor anytime this week imo it wont hurt the schedule.

Also like i said, this sets the precedent, teams are more likely to take the ''walkover'' now. Many good games might be forfeited due to this and thats not a good thing for fans like me!

Many games being rescheduled is not so great imo too. The best way is every game played at the time it is supposed to be. But to be fair, this isn't possible most of the times.

But the fact is, omo, the reason of benji rejecting because he doesn't want our games being unplayed for the next 3 weeks or w/e is pretty reasonable as I said before

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

Many games being rescheduled is not so great imo too. The best way is every game played at the time it is supposed to be. But to be fair, this isn't possible most of the times.

But the fact is, omo, the reason of benji rejecting because he doesn't want our games being unplayed for the next 3 weeks or w/e is pretty reasonable as I said before

But why 3 weeks? If thats the amount of time inFi wanted to postpone den i suppose its reasonable to take the walk over.

I dont agree with too many games being postponed either. IMO it rewards a team with a small lineup, Bigger clans with a deep lineup shld be able to take advantage of the situation when it comes to getting ppl online on the day.

However, since the beginning, the rescheduling has been going on. And i suppose its in the ''spirit'' of our awesome community to accomdate as much as possible. Like i said, before the whole match being forfeited is really too much. I just dont see why something cant be worked out like so many other games that had to be rescheduled.

PS: I understand your point and do note that in no way am i critcising benji. Its just this decision that makes me feels meh.

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nirvAnA:

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by wolf

In my opinion it goes against the tight knit community feel and 'spirit of the tournament' we got going on here. As Shortizz stated you've now set a precedent that taking walkovers are fine. Instead of being a boss alpha male and rescheduling, it seems to me you've taken the easy way out.

Tbh id rather play my match but you have to see that its not exactly fair if some teams are going to delay games because ppl can't show up once a week, teams have subs that fill in slots for players that cant show up, I mean its pretty reasonable if both teams agree to have a match or 2 postponed because its not like were not trying here, that's what we've been doing. But in this case im not exactly sure what happened but you can't say we've taken the easy way out based on what you know.

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nirvAnA:

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

What i think is fark up is that Benji chose to take the walk over in this todays match against inFi

If you weren't criticising benji, I think wording of this should've been more careful.

The 3 weeks thing is - there are some of inFi's game thats been postponed and still haven't played till today (it may have been played now idk) or for a long time and Benji didn't want that to happen.

edit: I don't know why the quote has my name on it but its from shortizz.

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nirvAnA:

[wolf]

Originally Posted by xGKingMafia

Tbh id rather play my match but you have to see that its not exactly fair if some teams are going to delay games because ppl can't show up once a week, teams have subs that fill in slots for players that cant show up, I mean its pretty reasonable if both teams agree to have a match or 2 postponed because its not like were not trying here, that's what we've been doing. But in this case im not exactly sure what happened but you can't say we've taken the easy way out based on what you know.

Oh, I'm not insinuating that it was the players decision to not play, I was almost certain before-the-fact that you guys would have liked to verse Infi. Based on previous weeks, accommodation have been made by every other team (not only pertaining to Infi) to get the matches played rather than taking the walkover. Also, I said that's just the way it feels to me, not that it was fact. I do admit that I am disappointed in the decision to be honest.

[iM MaFia]

I can understand why benji would reject because he probably feels its not fair that we have 5 players lined up each week and if ppl can't play on that certain day then we'd replace them but we've never had to reschedule any games unless it was very very last min emergencies (lights case vs spr last week) so he probably thinks that if our team can do it, most the other teams should.

Personally id really like to play my match but i do find it abit silly that inFi cant roster even a few players but want all 5 matches postponed

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wolf:

i like manner discussions

[wolf]

Originally Posted by xGKingMafia

I can understand why benji would reject because he probably feels its not fair that we have 5 players lined up each week and if ppl can't play on that certain day then we'd replace them but we've never had to reschedule any games unless it was very very last min emergencies (lights case vs spr last week) so he probably thinks that if our team can do it, most the other teams should.

Personally id really like to play my match but i do find it abit silly that inFi cant roster even a few players but want all 5 matches postponed

I see where you're coming from, but I don't like the precedent that this now sets on top tier tournament play and I hope it doesn't keep up from seeing great SEA games because of this decision.

[pRoTimber]

jazbas and mafia didnt even know and doesnt mind playing, so why not? it is not wrong to choose to walkover and nobody's gonna force u either, just that ppls impression for benji could change