[TAminimat]

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3765/16115237.png

[Mukade]

Lol, what's the story here?

[LennX]

People are saying that the winner cared enough to smurf and win a BSG tournament. That says a lot.

Edit: Okay I have check his match history going all the way back to 15 weeks ago. From all the league and custom games that he played, he chose only Zerg or Protoss. And suddenly for this BSG, he chose terran. So if this is his only account, the only logical explanation for me is that he plays Terran on NA.

I will wait for his replay pack to be uploaded and see how he plays.

[nirvAnA]

Ok guys im going leave this open as long as people post stuff with evidence that makes sense.

Smurfing in a BSG tourney when you're a diamond player is on the same level as map hacking to me, its something very low and worthy of a site ban and negative reputation for the rest of the players sc2 career .

With that being said its also riduclous to accuse a player if he won it fairly. So if you have some evidence or proof list it here. Groundless accusations / assumptions dont count, we need clear screenshots and proof listed in a well thought out and readable format.

Ive checked his IP on the site and so far it seems legit i.e his IP is unique asnd doesnt belong to anyone else on the site.
I will review the replays when i get them

[TAminimat]

He was seen playing in FXOSheths stream lol, I don't really even care that he smurfed but he is one rude prick.

[Satu]

Hes not rude, hes a troll. He was trolling the chat pretty heavily before the BSG, in the sc2seabsg channel. He was talking about how awesome orcs are in durotar and trying to get any reaction possible out of the players in the channel. I dont have any pics of it, but ask anyone who was on the channel before the bsg, and they'll second that. That'd be majority of the players that were in the BSG#6.

The reason he joined the tournament was to ruin it for bronze silver and gold players. He should be disqualified imo. I didnt care before the tournament happened, but he has 200+ APM constantly, didnt lose a single game and was seen on sheth's stream? Troll.

If his BSG#6 win is made void, then you cant really call a winner for it, as all of the guys he beat in the BSG have had unfair losses.

[NvPinder]

What a sad loser, thing is there aren't many 200apm terrans kicking around, I'm sure you could figure it out thru hotkey analysis/builds, combined with what he spams the apm with (selecting workers, constant hotkey switching etc). If we figure it out banned from all weeklys for a month and permanent "cheating ******" under his name in forums IMO.

[HuT]

Originally Posted by JPMoney

What a sad loser, thing is there aren't many 200apm terrans kicking around, I'm sure you could figure it out thru hotkey analysis/builds, combined with what he spams the apm with (selecting workers, constant hotkey switching etc). If we figure it out banned from all weeklys for a month and permanent "cheating ******" under his name in forums IMO.

/thread. Replays should be all the necessary evidence.

[Aean(:]

He has like what, 15ladder 15 custom games on his profile. Apart from the BSG customs, he has only played terran once + his recent match history dates back to 15 weeks ago.

@Nirvana, when you review the replays, look before the semi's 2nd game. Thats when sky said he will be watching him and others have noticed him play sloppy to cover it up, etc.

EDIT: Yes he was heavily trolling before the BSG tournament, should already be disqualified for bad manners. He went on for like an hour just telling people to shut up, cursing others, going on about orc or something -__- etc. Didnt even write in proper english which made him even more of a troll.

[Max]

The other finalist should be given the win. It's not fair that the whole tournament is voided just because Orc has ruined about 6 of his opponnets. Just my 2cents on the topic.

[x5_Potter]

Yeah if the proof is there then jimOk should be given the win, even though he was bming hard in the final match lol. He won through to the final fairly and imo would have won anyway if it wasn't for Orc being in the finals too.

[Satu]

Originally Posted by Potthead

Yeah if the proof is there then jimOk should be given the win, even though he was bming hard in the final match lol. He won through to the final fairly and imo would have won anyway if it wasn't for Orc being in the finals too.

Yeah, but what about all the guys orc defeated? That entire side of the tournament was defeated by a void player? Thats even more unfair imo.

[Makra]

Has Orc actually been in contact with Skybreaker or any other mods since the bsg? I can just see him suddenly being uncontactable and no replay pack coming from him...

[Mukade]

Guys, there isn't enough evidence to decide that he's a smurf/troll. I don't know if there is money involved in the BSG, I don't think there is though. My point however, is this: if he really is a smurf for some master league terran on NA, or some other server, and plays in the BSG, he is only really cheating himself. He may just be having a laugh, or something. The only thing I worry about now, is that the BSG may just become smurf heaven.

[Satu]

Its easier to punish him and set an example for smurfs than let others do it, than let the BSGs become smurf heaven.

I also heard from someone that hes refusing to upload his replays. If this is true, then he should just be disqualified anyway, as thats against the rules, smurf or not. If he DOES upload the replays, there will be pretty clear proof hes a smurf there too. Either way, he should be disqualified.

Also, its not disputable if he was a troll or not. Everyone in the sc2seabsg channel before the tournament saw that hes a troll.

I seriously cannot see a solution to this that doesn't involve punishments being handed out to him.

[Mukade]

I guess the only thing to do is to ask him not to play again, tell him that his skill level is too high to be competitive in the BSG. Invite him to the community open, and KotH where he can face someone that can actually beat him.

[Mukade]

Well, still doesn't prove conclusively that he's a smurf, but I guess the 200 apm/actually good macro speaks for itself. How did he troll? I think we just have to consider the results of the BSG to be a no contest, since it maybe have turned out differently had orc not competed. Maybe he should be banned for all upcoming tourneys? Maybe we should wait for more evidence.

[TAhackdZ]

IMO his BM in the chat channel prior to the comp should be more than enough to ban him from further participation.

[Mukade]

Hey Ridiculisk, what exactly did he say? I wasn't there, haha

[kpb]

I miss 1 BSG and something interesting happens -___- never again xD And i wanna know what he said

[Makra]

Minimat said he was on Sheth's stream. Find someone who can contact Sheth and ask him if thats correct?

[Satu]

Originally Posted by Makra

Minimat said he was on Sheth's stream. Find someone who can contact Sheth and ask him if thats correct?

I just sent Sheth a PM on teamliquid.net regarding this situation. We can wait and see if he has any information, and upon any replies from him, I'll post both my PM and his response in this thread.

I think this is necessary as some members are unsure about the evidence and thus what to do about the situation.

[Aean(:]

Lawl i think we are going overboard, let him win. But this time, put rules regarding smurfing in the next BSG.

[Mukade]

Lol, kpb, all the interesting stuff happens when one is away :P

[kpb]

I know ayyye, it sucks xD well I don't exactly know where I stand bout all this. If someone needs to make a smurf account to get a competition 'win'. He obviously doesnt get attention from anywhere else. Us complaining is what he wants to give him a kick.

[sunsetkid]

which bsg player have you ever met who has 200 apm? even with spamming, the best BSGs i've met in my games are in the low hundreds. and those are the ones that almost invariably get promoted.

[TAminimat]

I have the rep's uploading now and it's quite obvious he was in the stream because of the way he reacted when I said sheth's name. Before that I just said he was in a stream and he was calm, then I said sheth and instantly rage.

[TAminimat]

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/1...steppes-of-war
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/1...an-metalopolis

[inFeZa]

Why would you even enter a BSG tournament as diamond? it's such an obvious give away if you just plow through everyone.

[Satu]

Originally Posted by PoisoN

Why would you even enter a BSG tournament as diamond? it's such an obvious give away if you just plow through everyone.

Because hes a troll.

[Mukade]

Ban Ban Ban!

[SayfT]

something tells me he is just loling and doesnt really care about smurfing, but yes, smurfing in a BSG tourney as diamond+ LOL :?

[noobinater]

If he hasn't sent the replay pack yet (2 days later), seems like it should be an instant DQ and the 2nd place player should win, smurf or not.

[SkyBreaker]

After taking everything into account; having spoken to a few of you in-depth over battle.net and reviewing the screen-shots provided to me both in this thread and via email I have ultimately decided to DQ Orc and would like to officially announce the winner of the BSG #06 as JimOK!

While there is no solid evidence; however a lot of speculation I would like to apologize to the players who played Orc in the BSG#06 and I hope that it doesn't happen in the future.

I would also like to announce that the BSG will be taking on two new recruits; BakaInu and Zergtastic who I will be training over the next couple of weeks to begin hosting the BSG tournaments

[nirvAnA]

After much deliberation, sky and nirvana decided that there was just overwhelming support that the BSG winner was clearly not a BSG player and just intended to cause grief for the BSG players.

1) He was trolling the chat hard and provoking the players (This already derserves a ban for immature/poor conduct)

2) Suspicious account activity - High APM, different race played from account, account had very little games and last played 15 weeks ago.

3) Uncontactable after tournament - He did not bother to send in the replays or the interview he was sent. It was quite clear his only intention was to spoil the fun of other players.

I have not banned him from the site yet as im hoping for an explanation but he will be banned from any tournaments on sc2sea and is not welcomed in our community. Its sad that players like him can only find fun from ruining everyone else's. Second place finisher Jimok has been awarded the win and will take extra effort to monitor suspicious characters to ensure this doesnt happen again.

[x5_Potter]

Congrats to JimOk for a great tournament run through to the final. Good to see Breaker positive still even through a horror tournament. You're the real champion

[SkyBreaker]

Originally Posted by Potthead

Congrats to JimOk for a great tournament run through to the final. Good to see Breaker positive still even through a horror tournament. You're the real champion

. Scenarios like this are quite frustrating; we can only strive to avoid them in future tournaments.

Hope to see you in the upcoming BSG hosted by Baka & Zergtastic

[x5_Potter]

Originally Posted by SkyBreaker

Hope to see you in the upcoming BSG hosted by Baka & Zergtastic

I will be man, really good to play against people almost my level, though still get beaten first round every tournament xD

[TAhackdZ]

Gratz to jimOK on his, albeit belated, victory. Well played sir.

And props to nirvAnA for bringing down the ban hammer

[Hybrid]

wow didn't realise all this excitment has been going on! i had been looking at the forums, and haven't looked since the last bsg and now find this!

[HDPhoenix]

BAN HAMMER!!

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[Makra]

Good to hear it's all been sorted! And good luck zerg and bak with this weeks tourney!

[Aean(:]

Where that orc guy imma woop his ass.

[TAminimat]

Congrats to Jim, played well specially against what is clearly a diamond+ level player.