[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

Only difference is it's proposed by someone with a reason to want to beat you...

if he really won't accept tgun challenging him to a grudge match for calling him bad, then I'll sponsor a showmatch between tgun and strafe to let them sort it out, since we're apparently fine with that.

I think you're still missing the whole point of his post - he has nothing to prove and doesn't really care.

BM get's thrown around the upper level of ladder all the time after games, half of it is from big ego's, half is from people trying to needle people who are clearly annoyed they lost to you for the fun of it. This is the first case where I've seen random ladder BM (which it looks like both cases were involved in tbh), brought to a forum.

Don't get me wrong, I understand both sides of it, Tgun is clearly annoyed that strafe decided to needle him after he lost to him, which was a consequence of tgun leaving without GGing. Obviously this built up over a couple of games, and managed to piss tgun off enough that he's decided to "call out" strafe publicly (which again, I've literally never seen happen over random ladder BM, lol), to which strafe's basic reaction was "lol" (hence his rep comment before he posted).

The thread managed to get big enough that Strafe decided he should at least give his recap of what the hell led to this post (which I still think is probably awfully biased, but we will never know). And him replying with his belief that 'grudge matches' are for people with e-peens so large that they feel like slapping them together till one goes limp. He doesn't care if people think Tgun is better than him, and in his post he tries to make it as obvious as possible what he thinks of people whose egos are far too big for their own good, and that he tries to keep his as small as possible.

My basic understanding of events:
1) tgun and strafe ladder a bunch of times, BM each other in the most standard of standard ways you'd see almost every day on ladder.
2) Tgun gets fairly mad and makes a forum post calling out strafe
3) Strafe responds saying he's not interested in grudge matches.

And his last line about saying he would gladly play a showmatch with anyone better, is him saying he doesn't hate the idea of showmatches, and would love a showmatch with someone where both players are going into it just for the fun of play a bo9 with another good player where the community gets to enjoy good games. But under the circumstances tgun proposed this it's more of a "I HATE YOU I WANT TO BEAT YOU SO EVERYONE KNOWS IM BETTER THAN YOU!" style of thing. And his line about "anyone better" is just him needling tgun some more because he can.

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	SLCN.Kez:	"And him replying with his belief that 'grudge matches' are for people with e-peens so large that they feel like slapping them together till one goes limp." LOL
	JaFF:
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[|Erasmus|]

And my opinion is that people should lay off the needling others unless they want to deal with the consequences. If anyone wants to claim they are better than someone else (even just to needle them) they should be willing to man up and play a legit series against them, money or no money.

Claiming to be 'above' such things, but not above BM and just childishly trolling them in general is not cool in my books.

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

And my opinion is that people should lay off the needling others unless they want to deal with the consequences. If anyone wants to claim they are better than someone else (even just to needle them) they should be willing to man up and play a legit series against them, money or no money.

Claiming to be 'above' such things, but not above BM and just childishly trolling them in general is not cool in my books.

In that case you guys at sc2sea might wanna hold off on the tournaments for a few months because pretty much everyone in the top 200 has about 150 grudge matches to settle first.

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|Erasmus|:

I only mean it as if someone wants to call you out on it.

[AxSGRiM]

He's gonna rape like he raped Kawaii.

[KFCrumpet]

grudge matches should involve playing off races to prove who is really better. Then follow it up with a game of chess, and a couple of rounds of FFA MMA (chairs allowed)

[TargA]

ima call out that **** Revenant, he be typing bad shit to me and shit and not recognising me as a better player and i get butthurt cause i get butthurt.

250$ showmatch incoming.

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	x5.Revenant:	Here's a Can of Butthurt in your rep! <3
	Celldweller:
	deL:	targay

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by TargA

ima call out that **** Revenant, he be typing bad shit to me and shit and not recognising me as a better player and i get butthurt cause i get butthurt.

250$ showmatch incoming.

You guys have a very close relationship.

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mGMUSE:

[syfChadMann]

I'll play with you tgun - its alright...

[simon]

tgun making a mountain out of a mole hill and strafe polite as he can be is declining.

[inFeZa]

This thread isn't producing the sufficient action i expected.

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LoRDo:

[simon]

needs more tgun follow up posts infeza

[nGenLight]

need to hear tguns side of the story.

right now I feel like we are seeing tgun at his "I don't lose to this guy" eogtistical side, and from personal experience Strafe isn't one to be pushed around either.

who cares about manner, if you don't like each other no need to gg, go ahead manner mule dance ling.

and LOL wtf at random shot at andrew.

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TAEdgE:

you drinking again

[ROOT`iaguz]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

need to hear tguns side of the story.

right now I feel like we are seeing tgun at his "I don't lose to this guy" eogtistical side, and from personal experience Strafe isn't one to be pushed around either.

who cares about manner, if you don't like each other no need to gg, go ahead manner mule dance ling.

and LOL wtf at random shot at andrew.

It's tgun. Have you ever played him?

[Mayo]

That's a lot of failed quotes

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Mayo

That's a lot of failed quotes

I don't see any failed quotes, anywhere. Nope. They never happened. Ever.

Edit: He also tries to say that he's positive against me, when I have SC2Gears saying that I'm either 3-3 or 5-1 against him, depending on which replay source I open.

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	Mayo:	!!!!
	pRoTimber:

[Eldrid]

The word "dodge" needs to be used more imho

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Eldrid

The word "dodge" needs to be used more imho

Don't be dodging the use of that word please.

[nirvAnA]

Yea obviously Strafe's PoV is somewhat biased but it at least shows his side of the story which we never knew before! Disappointed that there is no match (Boo!!) but Strafe was polite and declined as respectively as possible and I really liked his post! You guys might not believe it but its not about money to strafe its about principal and he LOVES making bets (he had 15k riding on MC vs Genius) Although to add to that imo Tgun is definitely at least top 5 whole of SEA so theres at the very most just 4 more "higher caliber" players than him Strafe!

Anyway I need to implement the Mj popcorn smiley



brb gonna find it. Update: Found it!

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	Stallion:	i approve of this :D
	LoRDo:	thanks for the smiley :D
	TAXanT:	That actually made me laugh out loud, +1 to you sir.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Yea obviously Strafe's PoV is somewhat biased but it at least shows his side of the story which we never knew before! Disappointed that there is no match (Boo!!) but Strafe was polite and declined as respectively as possible.

Close thread then, I spose.

[|Erasmus|]

I'd hate to see Strafe do something disrespectfully if continuing to call people bad is "as respectfully as possible".

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	nirvAnA:	haha point taken!
	FaDeBadger:	Bingo, if you're gonna be bm just admit it
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