[Next_rim]

If you do phoenix's well in PvP, you'll only be at a BO disadvantage to FE builds. FE builds are just roulette anyway - it's a case of you hiding your tech build, while faking aggression.

Fast blink is default counter. TC Robo is hard-ish counter. Heck, even 4g can give trouble. DT's can be insta-loss. Too much weakness.

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by Next_rim

Fast blink is default counter. TC Robo is hard-ish counter. Heck, even 4g can give trouble. DT's can be insta-loss. Too much weakness.

This is mostly wrong. Phoenix-robo play beats fast blink, tc robo does badly against any sort of phoenix build. 4gate is a non issue because you have to take that into account whatever build you do. DTs only win against phoenix when theres no detection.

Phoenix is basically one of the strongest openers you can do and if you do it right then it can't straight up lose to anything.

[SLCNPezz]

Originally Posted by SQLTt.yang

This is mostly wrong. Phoenix-robo play beats fast blink, tc robo does badly against any sort of phoenix build. 4gate is a non issue because you have to take that into account whatever build you do. DTs only win against phoenix when theres no detection.

Phoenix is basically one of the strongest openers you can do and if you do it right then it can't straight up lose to anything.

Fast blink doesn't lose to phoenix robo builds if you play smart and take little damage you can come out ahead. As soon as you spot phoenix you want to build no more than 6~ stalkers and instantly build a templar archives whilst building mass zealot immortal, scout with an obs for if he expanded and if he did push him with one archon mass zealot immortal and 6 stalkers, if he doesn't then expand yourself you can hold immortal phoenix zealot timings with 1 archon, but you can get 2 just to be safe..

Just my 2cents, I've played fast blink in 90% of my PvPs and I usually beat players who go phoenix (1200 points masters NA)