[Yonge]

Originally Posted by rezyn8

But I hardly play on NA because SEA is such a good community!

Agreed! Ppl are willing to talk more on SEA and in a mannered fashion. I only go to NA because sometimes hard to find games in SEA.

Silver in SEA, Gold in NA

[ToR.Arnor]

I rarely play on NA but I remember doing my placement matches and playing about 20ish games knowing only the hot keys for scvs and marines and not knowing about "a-move" and still getting placed in silver and having a win rate well over 60%

Im kinda having a bit of a break from sc2 due to irl stuff (and spending my limited gaming time playing Heroes VI ^_^) but I think I should spend season 6 on NA to see what its like

[Jaywalk]

plat on SEA, plat on KR, diamond on NA.

[Scope_IV]

Im mid masters on both servers, with a way better score on NA.

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by SQLTt.yang

AFAIK Sea leagues are equivelant to one league higher on NA. Gold -> Plat, Plat -> Dia,
Dia -> low master.

It stops once you get to mid master which is about even. Mid GM on SEA is equivelant to high masters on NA though.

This is based off personal experience as I laddered through both around about the same time and hearing other people say similiar things.

Personally, I see the first threshold in player development as when you are able to get the hang of doing what you should be doing - keeping money low, using hotkeys, not getting supply capped, constant workers and units making, etc. It's not that you do it perfectly or even well at all, but you start to think of the game, the right way. On SEA, this happens in bronze, and is the difference between low bronze and high bronze. On NA, I think it only happens about the time you get promoted to silver, or even after. This gap in skill thresholds is explained easily, as obviously its higher population means the bottom 20% on NA are further away from average skill than SEA, while 'average' is probably pretty similar.

I find that in NA, people play a more basic game - fundamentals like macro are similar (that gap where a threshold is reached gets smaller the higher you get), whereas on SEA people in lower leagues are more competition focused - which means that they work more on refining things that NA players only do in later leagues

e.g. as a gold league Terran, if I open banshees on SEA, it gets scouted and will be dealt with somewhat effectively - a scan may be saved, turrets will be waiting, marines are on perimeter defense duty etc. On NA, I will do a lot more damage.

I don't ladder much on NA (I use it for warmups very occasionally) and I think it would be fair to say that as I'm nearing promotion to plat on SEA, I would be high plat and perhaps nearing promotion to diamond on NA.

[FvRphoneheha]

Agree with yang: SEA is one league higher until mid masters, then it sort of evens out.

By the way, how does everyone rate low/mid/high/top masters? My understanding is top 100/50/25/8 is the corresponding sequence, but I'm not sure if everyone thinks of it that way?

[ePFalcon]

Personally it seems to me that both SEA and NA are roughly equal in terms of skill. I generally spend most of my time on NA though (easier to find matches), but I do agree that NA overall is more BM than SEA.

[EveLoire]

NA is abit easier compared to SEA maybe mid-masters and below, that's from my own experience.

That said, i only ladder on NA if searching games on SEA is taking forever, or i go NA if i feel like getting BM-ed (which happens after >80% of the games there)

[twistedalpha]

You guys are way over your head. There are many factors affecting your skill in some regions you play in, some people got a league higher or lower when they play in NA or in KR for example.

But the majority of people are saying if you're originally on SEA then you play on NA your league will go down then if you play in KR your league will go down further.

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[Thoth]

In my personal experience, NA is easier in the lower leagues, I am gold here, yet diamond on NA. However, what is interesting is that their masters and beyond seem to be of higher calibre than ours

[EveLoire]

Originally Posted by twistedalpha

But the majority of people are saying if you're originally on SEA then you play on NA your league will go down then if you play in KR your league will go down further.

Sadly from the replies here what you say appears to be untrue, the leagues are definitely easier on NA until mid masters as most people here have stated.

[ricecake]

Interesting stats... reddit seems to have the general opinion the SEA server is less talented, but then again reddit is probably dominated by NA players anyways

[IXLbwodie]

I used to find NA a fair bit easier but am now finding that the skill levels feel alot more even

[NERV]

I'm on NA and on SEA.

Am I the only one that expereinces less frequent, but more severe BM on SEA?

The worst BM I have got on NA is some trash talk before leaving or just simple trash comments about your race.

I have run into 2 very bad BM'ers on SEA, one of which was a protoss that always cannoned rushs and rages at his opponent very aggressively after and during the match. Another was a Zerg who got so mad at me for beating him as a Terran, he was litreally spamming swear words and threats relentlessly when he lost and after the match.

That's alright and all, but the thing that gets me is that the SEA population is so small, that almost always I will get matched up with them AGAIN straight if I que another match straight after win/losing against them.

I for one, hate running into BM'ers again and again especially seeing they are usually much more angry then before and will try to cheese you almost all the time, and as a person that favors macro games and fast expand builds.. It sort of sucks.

I usually go to the point where I will add the BM'er as a friend and wait until he/she is ingame THEN que my next match. I would do this even if they are online a week or so after their BM attack...

[Asrathiel]

Originally Posted by NERV

I usually go to the point where I will add the BM'er as a friend and wait until he/she is ingame THEN que my next match. I would do this even if they are online a week or so after their BM attack...

That's a cool idea.

If they're really rude sometimes I go talk to them after the game, and say how sorry I am that their life is so terrible that they have to be rude to random people to feel better about themselves

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by Asrathiel

That's a cool idea.

If they're really rude sometimes I go talk to them after the game, and say how sorry I am that their life is so terrible that they have to be rude to random people to feel better about themselves

Or just block communication with them so they can't talk to you any more.

But yeah, sometimes I ask people what it's like to have such a pathetic life they need validation from me for winning a game of starcraft... because sometimes I don't GG because I play horribly, and they want to go digging for a reaction.

[Asrathiel]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

Or just block communication with them so they can't talk to you any more.

Yeah I do that afterwards.

I had this one dude who kept pausing the game without saying anything and restarting without telling me, then he killed my main and my nat, but i had another two bases elsewhere, so I wasn't quite dead yet... then he was like 'gg ***' every 2 seconds til he found my other bases. I had to go and express my sympathy for his pathetic life afterwards

[ricecake]

Originally Posted by NERV

That's alright and all, but the thing that gets me is that the SEA population is so small, that almost always I will get matched up with them AGAIN straight if I que another match straight after win/losing against them.

Now that is something I had not thought about at all. I play exclusively on the NA ladder ( ) and it is a very rare occasion to run into the same person twice in a row.

[rezyn8]

LOL - I want to give Light +rep for his -rep to twistedalpha above!

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[Posigen]

yeah I got into silver on NA while I was pretty bad bronze (rank 20?) and im now high silver so I dont want to know how it would be on NA... I might offrace there a bit to learn other races