[Frogmite]

Not really my business but from what i understand, Dox was blaming Benji because he used ACL to promote his own team.
I think Benji's intentions are good but maybe he didn't ask Dox if he could use images of ACL so that's maybe why Dox feels a bit pissed off.

@JoFritz : Yeah there is drama here because people have passion and feelings for what they are doing/trying to do for the community. So yeah sometimes it clashes.

I think the only way to solve this is a grudge match.

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Kalikah:

drunkcraft grudge match! then let the fur fly!

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by Frogmite

Not really my business but from what i understand, Dox was blaming Benji because he used ACL to promote his own team.
I think Benji's intentions are good but maybe he didn't ask Dox if he could use images of ACL so that's maybe why Dox feels a bit pissed off.

That's not it at all Froggie, but let's move on. It's not our business!

[inFeZa]

Omg guys everyone look at my opinion directed at everyone elses opinion!!!!!!!

[TAminimat]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Soooo....
Do we get to see the conversation between dox/benji?

? 10 char

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ROOTPetraeus:

haha nice edit bro

[syfChadMann]

@Loach - I neg repped you because you said in the chat box about this thread.. then Maynarde and I told you to leave it - its for Dox and Benji to sort out. Which YOU totally ignored.. none of the other people that have posted checked in the chatbox if they should first.. and still you posted.

With that - why is everyone else putting their opinion in? "ohh yeah I disagree with you, and my opinion is that your opinion isn't valid, cause its different from mine...." -_-

I think its obvious that Dox and Benji know more about the situation than anyone else.. While its great and lovey dovey to think that if Benji and Dox worked together they could do great things.. but sometimes two people just can't work together - through differences of opinion. Lets let the two grown ups sort it out by themselves... okay?

#SaddleUp

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

With that - why is everyone else putting their opinion in? "ohh yeah I disagree with you, and my opinion is that your opinion isn't valid, cause its different from mine...." -_-

That's not it all... it's not that I'm saying he's wrong because he doesn't share my opinion. I'm saying his opinion is not the only one, and saying Benji has broken -his- rules about how to promote himself/his team, is just saying that and should in no way apply that Benji is categorically wrong.

Let the public decide with their subscriptions/followings who is promoting themselves better, not Dox's opinion. Not so hard, is it?

[nirvAnA]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

That's not it all... it's not that I'm saying he's wrong because he doesn't share my opinion. I'm saying his opinion is not the only one, and saying Benji has broken -his- rules about how to promote himself/his team, is just saying that and should in no way apply that Benji is categorically wrong.

Let the public decide with their subscriptions/followings who is promoting themselves better, not Dox's opinion. Not so hard, is it?

To be fair to benji, people don't know this but he did ask me first if he could post his video as news, and generally he always does that when hes about to make a news post. I thought many people would like the video (turns out pple liked it even more than expected) so i said yea its news worthy and told him to go ahead. His kingston review not too long ago wasn't "news worthy" and rightfully went under "General Forums", in fact he didn't even ask me if it could go under news, he knew it himself. I guess the issue was him using the news post to promote his stuff. Well I knew he would probably promote his team/sponsors like he normally does and thats usually fine with me cause whenever he does that i just scroll down and ignore it when the sponsor part comes up (sorry benji!) and i thought people would just do the same if they weren't interested so i saw it as no harm to give his team a bit of exposure because after all he did make an enjoyable video for most people and I would rather see video + some sponsor promotion rather then no video at all, as having some sponsor promotion naturally gives the incentive to continue to produce more content. Kinda like on niche sites its common to let guest writers (who clearly just want traffic or a backlink for SEO for their own site) to post some content of value and in return they get to plug "to find out more abou Y go too...X" at the bottom of their post. Whereas if you don't allow that there would be a lot less or even no content coming from these "guest writers" that readers will be missing out on.

I also have to state that dox is a rarity in this world, there is no else in this community that even comes close to Dox in terms of his selfless dedication, thats why he is such a hero to us all. Its hard to meet Dox's standards because every thing he touches is done so exceptionally well. Most of us fall short, and on top of that, people like benji (xgking), arnor(CH), mayo(Tte) and even me (tgm) have some undeniable self-interests vested here and there whereas Dox has absolutely no agenda. But I feel we all contribute to esports and its development in some way, just not in the same pure form as Dox. And I guess it also depends on our PR skills and how we convey the message, e.g arnor's earlier post and benji's basically accomplished the same thing but produced totally different vibes. Basically all of us have good PR skills except Benji (this can be improved ben! ) but as Sensei/ TA have found out when they met Benji IRL at ACL, "he was actually just a nice normal guy" and their attitude towards him drastically changed for the better!

Anyway, hope both sides have a clearer picture now after I've shared this perspective. As everyone said, we would all love to see the both of you working together and not against each other. IMO theres some deeper issues that have to be resolved between you two privately that is causing this tension. As loach has said this is really something over "nothing" and if those issues aren't resolved its just gonna keep popping up like a stubborn floating poop whenever the slightest disagreement appears.

Now lets hug! (pics stolen from Dot89's fb.)

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	cRSenSei:	Nobody will ever live up to Dox!
	|Erasmus|:	I love both of these guys. They both support esports, even if they go about it differently.
	x5_dot:	hahaha gosh you're quick!! :D
	Nemo:

[inFeZa]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

To be fair to benji, people don't know this but he did ask me first if he could post his video as news, and generally he always does that when hes about to make a news post. I thought many people would like the video (turns out pple liked it even more than expected) so i said yea its news worthy and told him to go ahead.[/IMG][/center]

by all means you can put my video as featured T_T

[Fenner]

Here are some owls, hope they make you all more loving towards each other.

[Apth]

Originally Posted by fenner

Here are some owls, hope they make you all more loving towards each other.

N'awwwwww, owls...

• There was a video
• It was of ACL
• I watched it
• It was pretty good
• Pinder actually does look like Jason Statham (was that even this video?)
• Iaguz is terrifying
• PiG with smaller fabric PiG is slightly more terrifying somehow
• If I have money at some point I'll fly to one of these ACL things and hug you all

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	|Erasmus|:	Make it Sydney. ;)
	TAminimat:
	Bugalugs McScruffin:	Boss post Apth. :D We should be talking about the video and you did just that. <3
	Maynarde:
	TAkrunch:	Pinder does not look like Jason Stratham... stop that!

[Loach]

@Chadmann - who cared that I posted in the chatbox? are there rules and regulations that say I cannot post in the chatbox, and then in the forum? I really can't see how you're defending ur choice to neg rep me.. I don't care because OH NO MY REPS POWAZZZZZZ but it's just retarded

Also, I didnt check in the chatbox to ask if i could post, this isnt a permission based forum, in which every comment seeks approval and is then posted...

[Jaywalk]

well now what am i going to do with all these "team dox" and "team benji" t-shirts i got made?!?

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	Kalikah:	give one pointy vampire teeth and one pointy ears and sell them to twi hards :D
	TAminimat:	I'll take a Team Chadmann one please
	nirvAnA:	hahaha

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Originally Posted by ToREchoes

well now what am i going to do with all these "team dox" and "team benji" t-shirts i got made?!?

ROFL

People seriously need to just stop giving their opinions on this, post in here about the video and leave the other crap alone, your opinion won't help the situation and I doubt either party really cares, they are entitled to think what they think and so are you to some degree, but fueling the fire isn't going to make anything better right now.

Cool ya jets!

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	Maynarde:
	Bugalugs McScruffin:	Jets are pretty darn hot, they might take some time too cool. iTroll
	Kalikah:

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by TARogue

ROFL

People seriously need to just stop giving their opinions on this, post in here about the video and leave the other crap alone, your opinion won't help the situation and I doubt either party really cares, they are entitled to think what they think and so are you to some degree, but fueling the fire isn't going to make anything better right now.

Cool ya jets!

You Tube

You Tube

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	ROOTPetraeus:	HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
	TAkrunch:	sick clip miles =)
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	typical new zealand mayte
	nirvAnA:	oh man flight of the conchords is awesome
	Navi:	FOTCH so good!
	Champi:	******* love u miles

[iM yang]

I agree, it's complete bullshit that there isn't a scene in the video of me in a cowboy outfit riding infeza with a saddle on his back. I demand compensation and this will not stand.


p.s. settle it privately sillybuns

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	Bugalugs McScruffin:	Sillybuns. <3
	syfChadMann:	#SaddleUp
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	this is the only thing i wanted to see!
	TAEdgE:	don't steal sillybuns without asking markus. dissapoint
	inFeZa:	hey.... you gotta pay to see that

[cRSenSei]

Originally Posted by SQLTt.yang

I agree, it's complete bullshit that there isn't a scene in the video of me in a cowboy outfit riding infeza with a saddle on his back. I demand compensation and this will not stand.


p.s. settle it privately sillybuns

How did I even miss this?

[dippa]

re. tripods:

benji - you might want to invest in a gorillapod, those things can be taken in bags pretty easily and they've got some good utility.

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	Maynarde:	Back on track, nice
	TAminimat:	really good tripods.
	syfChadMann:	Dippa is a tripod

[iM yang]

it was a private party

[cRSenSei]

Let me guess.. it happened friday night after I left to my gf's apartment?

That's why there's no video. I could have been there to video it, you just had to ask!

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by SQLTt.SenSei

Let me guess.. it happened friday night after I left to my gf's apartment?

That's why there's no video. I could have been there to video it, you just had to ask!

Actually there is a video but i'll publish it when i get 100 followers on my twitter

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	|Erasmus|:	Dox is gonna get you for promoting your twitter the wrong way, yo!
	cRSenSei:	you frenchmen always have great humour :D
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	ziiiiinnnnngggggggggggg
	iM yang:	hahahahahaha
	nirvAnA:
	FaDeBadger:
	TAEdarus:	I c wut u did thar
	Zealo:	♥