[Apth]

Originally Posted by breadfan

And when ISPs block those IPs also?

I'm done explaining. Go read how DNS works.

Originally Posted by breadfan

How long is temporary? What's in the bill doesn't really matter here -

I wasn't referring to duration.

Temporary - DNS Block.
Permanent - Remove files from web server.

Web hosting providers won't remove content from their servers under SOPA pressure; there's a reason it hasn't been specifically suggested as a censorship tool.

I'm going to reiterate my point:

• SOPA is bad, however
• SOPA uses DNS Blocking, and DNS Blocking doesn't work, thus
• Effects of SOPA aren't going to be as bad as they're being made out to be

That's all from me.

[Bugalugs McScruffin]

Originally Posted by Apth

I'm going to reiterate my point:

• SOPA is bad, however
• SOPA uses DNS Blocking, and DNS Blocking doesn't work, thus
• Effects of SOPA aren't going to be as bad as they're being made out to be

That's all from me.

Just curious. Other than people like us who care about the online services we use and are tech-savvy enough to deal with IP addresses, how many people do you think are going to just go nope and find somewhere else to go for their business? Bookmarks go to URLs not IPs, and if you don't get the IP before the DNS is blocked, how are you going to get it?

[Apth]

Originally Posted by Bugalugs McScruffin

Just curious. Other than people like us who care about the online services we use and are tech-savvy enough to deal with IP addresses, how many people do you think are going to just go nope and find somewhere else to go for their business? Bookmarks go to URLs not IPs, and if you don't get the IP before the DNS is blocked, how are you going to get it?

Despite recognising I'm being overly argumentative, I'll reply to Bugs because he's baller;

For non-tech savvy people, yeah, it's a problem. My response to that would be that us nerdy folk need to be proactive about taking care of our less knowledgeable peers.

For all you nerds who really don't like SOPA - set up a DNS server in your living room, walk your family and friends through how to connect to it, and manually add A Record entries for websites that get blocked.

In regards to the IP thing - easiest thing to do would be to have a website where people can add the IP addresses of their websites if they've been blocked. Easier still would be to have a static list of IP's for popular sites.

In my opinion, SOPA will go through. The influence possessed by the major corporations that are backing this is immense. We should start preparing for a post-SOPA internet. Me and my flatmate just spent ~$500 upgrading the hardware on our flat server, installing a second NIC, and have a ticket sitting with our ISP to address our connection speed.

We're nerds. SOPA will be another speed bump on our way to domination of the planet, but that's all it will be.

[Bugalugs McScruffin]

Originally Posted by Apth

Despite recognising I'm being overly argumentative, I'll reply to Bugs because he's baller;

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Apth

For all you nerds who really don't like SOPA - set up a DNS server in your living room, walk your family and friends through how to connect to it, and manually add A Record entries for websites that get blocked.

In regards to the IP thing - easiest thing to do would be to have a website where people can add the IP addresses of their websites if they've been blocked. Easier still would be to have a static list of IP's for popular sites.

So you're saying that I need to manually add DNS records for every website I, or anyone I know, wants to visit if they get blocked on a server that I run? This seems like overkill.

As for the IP thing... yeah, that is the easiest solution, and then that site will get hit by SOPA and a new site will spring up and that one will get hit by SOPA etc. etc.

I would rather fight SOPA now than have to deal with the ramifications after the fact. I don't want to have to run a DNS server in my living room, that's what my ISP is for.

Originally Posted by Apth

In my opinion, SOPA will go through. The influence possessed by the major corporations that are backing this is immense. We should start preparing for a post-SOPA internet. Me and my flatmate just spent ~$500 upgrading the hardware on our flat server, installing a second NIC, and have a ticket sitting with our ISP to address our connection speed.

We're nerds. SOPA will be another speed bump on our way to domination of the planet, but that's all it will be.

I don't have $500 to spend setting this stuff up. I'm still waiting on enough money to get a new desktop to replace my ailing 5-year-old PC.

Like I said, it shouldn't be up to us to hold up the integrity of the Internet after a bill like this passes. It should be up to us to make enough noise before hand that the legislators realise how bad an idea this really it.

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[breadfan]

Originally Posted by Apth

I'm done explaining. Go read how DNS works.

I thought I knew how it works, but clearly you are a CCIE and have intimate knowledge of SOPAs methods, so I yield to your perfect knowledge.

Originally Posted by Apth

Web hosting providers won't remove content from their servers under SOPA pressure; there's a reason it hasn't been specifically suggested as a censorship tool.

Lucky we have someone that knows what all businesses of a certain type everywhere will do in the face of govt policy. Remind me to get stock advice from you.

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by breadfan

I thought I knew how it works, but clearly you are a CCIE and have intimate knowledge of SOPAs methods, so I yield to your perfect knowledge.

Lucky we have someone that knows what all businesses of a certain type everywhere will do in the face of govt policy. Remind me to get stock advice from you.

This isn't constructive, this is heading toward flame war territory. Something we may or may not be able to do after SOPA Stay on track please.

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