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Unread Fri, 6th-Jan-2012, 2:58 AM BnetId: RageBoredguy.180  Race: Location: Melbourne Australia  Total Posts Made: 61 # 1
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A quick google search shows the same thing, production tab hacks. Pictures and what-not prove it. Wow that just makes it much more difficult to see if somebody is hacking if they are at all intelligent.

I mean, who is lucky and who is hacking?
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Unread Fri, 6th-Jan-2012, 3:41 AM BnetId: aLtCure.171  Race: Clan: aLt  Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 342 # 2
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A quick google search shows the same thing, production tab hacks. Pictures and what-not prove it. Wow that just makes it much more difficult to see if somebody is hacking if they are at all intelligent.

I mean, who is lucky and who is hacking?
Which is why more we need more then one replay to prove that people are hacking. Like everyone else has said, it's doubtful that someone that hasn't played at a high level will be able to read their opponent well. Well then again, thats what this thread is for. To analyse the replays that people have uploaded and to make a decision on whether or not the person is hacking.
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Unread Fri, 6th-Jan-2012, 9:00 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: EU.Nemo #368  Race: Location: Paris, France  Total Posts Made: 752 # 3
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pRoTimber vs Ghost

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Map : Metapolis
Length : 15min22
Version 1.4.2

Replay Analysis

  • 3:40 : Scouting Timber base, cliquing the gas, you can see a marine producing.
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  • 4:50 : This time you're poking and you are even surprised by the marines that have free shots on your stalker when you're not too much attentive.
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  • 6:43 : You're not Chronoing your gates this time. Only one but without real necessity. You seem taken by surprise indeed and your army is spread like the precedent time. You don't throw a single Force field. Might be the surprise or the fact that army seemed really weak.
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  • 7:17 you make a pursuit but retreat soon prudently.
  • 7:41 : You're sending a probe, intercepted this time. You're surprised to be.
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  • 8:18 : You're taken completely by surprise by Timber army that flanks you. There's also a lot of SCV with his army too now.
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  • 9:05 : This time you're scouting again to know where Timber army is, fearing he's again trying to flank you. You're so obviously not Map Hacking in this game. There is no magic here, all your acts show that you're attentive to what COULD happen on this map.
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  • 9:11 to 9:25 : You ambush Timber army with luck but this time it's obvious it is true luck because you were super active with your army trying to see before striking while the other time you were waiting him behind the door.
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  • Then you counter and deny Timber natural.
  • 12:21 : Scouting this time again.
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  • 13:01 : What do we have there ? A drone controlling the Xel'naga. First time I see you doing that and also first time I'm so sure you're not Map Hacking.
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  • 12:40 : Defending a potential drop while there were no drop coming from Timber (not a single Medivac produced yet). That's true game sense. You control all the routes to your base and you can regroup all your armies in case of danger.
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  • 13:32 : Even patrolling with 2 groups of stalkers while there was no danger. Interesting thing to note you still has no obs. Might indicate you don't like them because you don't make them even when absolutely clearly not MH.
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  • 13:30 : Again taken by surprise by Timber push, even though you had the Xel'Naga. He captures it and destroy your drone without reaction by you. Another proof of no Map Hack this game.
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  • 14:41 : Again, surprised by Timber push. Your army is not perfectly set this time. All the zealots are not in front, you have left some units behind to defend a drop that never existed.
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  • 15:21 : Timber last chance All-In fails and he gg. Immortals sure are good.
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My own conclusion (and it's only a opinion)

  • This game is so 100% free of Map Hack and this is so obvious ... I'm really reassured that I'm not seeing Map Hacks everywhere now after spending time on Evets replay then on yours ><. That also means that I'm even more confident in what i saw in the other 2 games and quite confirm it was indeed Map Hack in my opinion.
  • That super strange to defend that drop zone with so many units when you have 2 Robo to produce 2 cheap obs that could have scouted that zone and enemy base instead of "preparing" with so expensive units for something that could never happen. You're and don't use observers at all ? I found that very suspect because it might indicate that you're too much used to have "artificial obs".
  • The differences with the other game are too big in my opinion:
    • You were this time scouting a lot
    • You were genuinely surprised so many times, indeed Timber had his chances when in the other game he had none. All was going in your favor. It was "magic".
Well this is just my opinion. There is still 2 replay to watch and I can't make more than one each evening unfortunately. I will continue tomorrow.


Any external opinions and more importantly Ghost explanations are necessary.

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looks good :)
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