[MeaNySPR]

lol what am i missing here? this whole new thread all of a sudden to publicly denounce incidents that happened really long time ago? i thought we were all done with this shit?

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	FaDeBadger:	Done with you hacking? no.
	wolf:	no free pass for you

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by meany

lol what am i missing here? this whole new thread all of a sudden to publicly denounce incidents that happened really long time ago? i thought we were all done with this shit?

U can still give ur end of the story here if u are adamant that u didnt hack.

[MeaNySPR]

nah i have an old thread solely dedicated to a game of mine and i'm not going to let it continue to cause more problem between me and my friends. i'm going to confirm now that i won't join any tournament organized by this community in the future. as a matter of fact i've never have ever since the incident so i do not understand why this has to be brought up in public like this months later. i'm just playing my game

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	nirvAnA:	I hope people understand now why I gave respect to EvetS for coming clean like he did
	Rage:	then why bother posting here? leave us the hell alone.

[xGKingdelete]

Referring to pRoTimber vs Ghost on metalopolis:

Ghost's play is very, very suspicious. I completely agree that there is a good chance he is maphacking, but not completely certain. All of the following analysis is giving him the benefit of the doubt. I may be analysing things that he didn't intentionally do if he actually was maphacking. But if he wasn't, I think I can explain some of the things that he did. Going to post these in reponse to Nemo's points.

1)4:48 : I'm puzzled you're not sending your Stalker scout or not trying to control the Xel'Naga at all, but the stalker is clearly needed to defend any reaper, so it's legit. But no Xel'Naga control at all in both games seen is weird.

Well, at there's still a bunker in his base so he leaves the stalker to make sure that gets cancelled first. The bunker is cancelled at 5:07, and his first zealot comes out shortly afterwards. At this time, he only has the zealot and stalker to defend. If he was concerned about the reaper, he wouldn't move the stalker to the watchtower because the potential reaper could sneak into the main and kite the zealot. Also, he wouldn't send a probe to the watchtower either because that's just a free kill for the reaper.

However, to me, it looks like he left his army idle because he felt like it. The watchtower only covers one potential attack path, and having a unit at the watchtower would be one less unit to defend if pRoTimber attacked from the bottom path. Also, because he went 1gate expand into 3gate, he was vulnerable to any pressure (he scouted the 2rax opening), so he might have just wanted to have those units to defend.

2)6:22 : Your stalker is moved from your natural to your main and at the same moment the reaper is nearing the center of the map. Very slight suspicion.

He didn't move it up for the potential reaper. If he was worried about the reaper, he would have moved further up to where reapers are most likely to enter the main, not to the high ground next to the ramp. It was about the time that the pressure should be coming, so he probably expected an attack then. By moving the stalker up, he gained a bit of vision (although the watchtower would have been much better), and if the army did come, he would get a few free shots off from the high ground stalker.



However, that's all assuming that pRoTimber takes the north attack path. If he attacked from the south, then that stalker would be late to the battle. So who knows... perhaps it was just an impulse to move it there.

3)6:47 : Moreover, the Reaper is now south of the map and the stalker leaves the main to come back to the natural: Suspicious go and return move by the Stalker synchronized with the reaper moves.

That might be because he realised what I said above about the potential attack paths, and wanted the stalker to be able to defend just in case. Notice how he only moves it to the bottom of the ramp - if he wanted to stop the reaper, he would go closer to the nexus.



4)6:47 : The army of Timber goes out of his base, you're Chronoing your 3 Warpgate while you have still your bases to saturate. It's suspicious or a perfect timing.

No one does this. Sus. Could just be game sense, or because he knows pRoTimber plays aggressively.

It may be because he was still worried about the pressure and just wanted some units to be safe. He has scouted nothing, so he might be preparing for the worst case scenario.

Or it may be because having the extra units wouldn't hurt him too much. His midgame plan was to do a gateway timing attack, so having the units earlier was no big deal, since he didn't plan to spend it on any tech. (However he did cut probes a bit to get those units, so I don't know. Might just be a genuine mistake, or done deliberately, I know I cut probes a lot in early PvP just to get those gateways out faster).

5)7:10 : The reaper attacks by the south an retreat but you're not pursuing him at all, even without 1 stalker. You're obviously waiting for something but not scouting at all, so you should not know Timber's army arrives. Suspicious.

Reapers are imbalanced and you can never catch them no matter how hard you try.

Jokes aside, not sure about this one either. Suspicious.

Chasing reapers is a lot of effort and half the time they get away, so maybe he just couldn't be bothered.

6)7:26 : Pre-splitting you're stalkers. Not even one waiting for the reaper at the South.

Moving around the army to scare off the reaper messed up his positioning. He repositions his units as soon as they get back into sit-there-and-do-nothing mode, which is what a good player should do.

7)Not a single stalker waiting for the reaper in the main now though the only thing you see from Timber is a Reaper. You perfectly know that Timber is arriving and perfectly ready for his army while without hack you could not know it. For me that's evidence of Map Hacking.

The reaper was last spotted south, at his natural third base, not too long ago. That's very far from his main base, the only way that there would be a reaper in the main was if pRoTimber had made a second reaper.

8)9:14 : You don't see the army of Timber coming to your drone and you still retreat it at the exact moment Timber's army arrives. Again, you don't use your drone to scout around to see what is happening and there was no reason to retreat that drone at that moment, your army was arriving. That can't be luck no more and still absolutely no scouting. Not even once you got to the Xel'Naga, not even once at that moment of the game. For me that's evidence of Map Hacking.

True, I would have expected it to move forward (or upwards towards Timber's natural third) to build another pylon. But this is something really, really small. It could be something that even ghost can't explain. It could just be luck.



As for the whole "no scouting issue", yeah, that makes it very suspicious. But aside from the 3 chronoboosts on warp gates at 6:47, everything seemed kind-of reasonable. He didn't really need to scout. It was a back and forth attack/defend game.

At the start he might have thought "2rax pressure, I can handle that if I have x units at x time". And after the attack, he attacked himself, didn't need to scout there. And after that, he did the forcefield contain. Now he would need to scout to find out the medivac timing with an observer. But he didn't have a robo. When he did have a robo (at 12 mins), he had about 1k minerals 100 gas. He was starving on gas, and may have just decided that he needed some other tech more than the observer.

Well actually, he spent the gas on an immortal, so I don't really know. A collosus den and a second immortal after that. I don't know about that. I would expect the observer, so I guess that is pretty suspicious too.

He might have just assumed "I have seen a lot of barracks units, more than normal. Since he's spending so much money here, his tech is probably delayed and I don't need to worry".



Something else suspicious: At 14 mins, pRoTimber expands to the 7 o clock position with the OC he was forced to lift off at his natural, while he is being contained by forcefields. At 15 mins, Ghost sends a zealot to check out the 1 o clock spawn, and sends another zealot to the 7 o clock. He finds the hidden expansion. Suspicious?

When pRoTimber retreated into his main base, he landed the OC next to the ramp, in plain sight of any unit that walked up the ramp. However, while containing, ghost doesn't scout up the ramp - he has only been forcefielding it. So if you check his vision, as far as he knows, the OC is still there at the ramp. But he sends the zealots anyway.

(he sends the zealot on attack move to check the two other expansions first, the 5 and 6 o clock ones. But it's still pretty suspicious)


Anyway, that's all I have to say about this. Over to you.

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	neon:	good analysis and insights, thanks!
	nirvAnA: