[nirvAnA]

Moved this drama from the registration thread so it doesn't derail it.

This is not really "open to discussion" its more of the rule we have already set and what you should have been aware of when you submitted your lineup. Rules might be tweaked slightly but this is the stance we have.

Originally Posted by Frogmite

Article 8 of the conditions of participation: (see OP)

You may not include players based outside of Southeast Asia or Oceania in your team unless an admin grants special consideration.

This competition is made for SEA players as we want to give more coverage to them and encourage new emerging talents. We all believe you're strong players but we prefer to make sure SEA Clan League remains SEA. We don't refuse koreans, we just refuse players that we never see around casual times.

Admins will decide which players are allowed to compete in it or not. Hope you understand.

This is my definition which would be a guideline on what admins consider when granting special consideration.

1. SEA residents (tgun, shuffle, a bunch of NA teams who aren't active on SEA but their citizenship gives them automatic rights)
2. Non-SEA residents but long time players of the server (salvation, soulman, targa, frogmite <even admin!)
3. Active members on SC2SEA and in our community. (Nemo, frogmite, etc)

If players meet just ONE condition they would probably be granted permission to playl. For example many players in SEA don't even meet 3 because they are the lurker type and don't post much but that is fine and they can still play in our tournaments.

[Champi]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

Manager - Xenomorph


Team1

SoongheeSPR
SunginSPR
MasterSPR
BalloonSPR
RyoomakSPR
FrapzSPR
Rapz
Hana
taeJa
MaSteR
SoulmanSPR


Team2

Manager - RsSPR

GGist
NothanxSPR
SatuSPR
XenomorphSPR
KangSPR
SooieSPR
RsSPR
tbkSPR
BlitzSPR
GnuelSPR
PulseSPR
PeleusSPR
LucienSPR

- this is our new line-up .they are SEA active players and there is no any problem i think

Half those players in tier 1 dont even live in SEA, and are barely considered to be active members of our community, balloon for example only just played his placement matches last night.

i would prefer that SPR used the players we know and trust rather then a bunch of their code B korean friends who smurf on our server for fun when they're bored to play in a tournament such as this...

but thats just me, what does everyone else think?

[nirvAnA]

I had a talk with Pelesus today and i believe he has relayed the msg to the SPR leaders so they will submit their refined lineup soon.

[NvRossi]

Their original lineup list went from having around 4-5 australians in it to being 100% korean... WOW

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	wTlzq:	agree TT
	ToRSpartaz:	Hm...
	AxSGRiM:

[ChoiJaeHoon]

Originally Posted by TAChampi

Half those players in tier 1 dont even live in SEA, and are barely considered to be active members of our community, balloon for example only just played his placement matches last night.

i would prefer that SPR used the players we know and trust rather then a bunch of their code B korean friends who smurf on our server for fun when they're bored to play in a tournament such as this...

but thats just me, what does everyone else think?

Hana taeJa frapzspr and rapz, they are actually SEA active player and they played a lot already
so i think they can join to this tourney
but Balloon used our SPR member's account eg - sunginSPR wahliaoz.Rock etc and even he played CW
and he just got his own accounnt 2days ago
If TA or other clan wanted to CW with SPR , u guys could have known him and MaSteR also
although that account is not their account, Do you guys know they alr got GM?
and it proves that they are active player

[TAEdgE]

*****(*****SPR): then again
master is brining all the koreans to play seacl
***** (*****SPR): he bascially told everyone he knows on kr to play seacl

This is not fairness. Since you can speak korean, you can go and get any random high master korean you want that is better (arguably) than the majority of the 'SEA' players. Your initial lineup turned from a half~ aussie/singaporean/malaysian lineup into your current lineup of pure Korean..

edit: Since you lost pokerface, I definitely think Ryoomak can play. Ryoomak is very good, but has played for a long time on SEA and losing pokerface does hurt, but such a drastic lineup change to koreans who play sparingly on SEA just doesn't seem in the spirit of competition :/

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	nirvAnA:	+1 for Ryoomak being eligible, hes been around for awhile. Rapz too
	JaFF:

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

taeJa

That better not be who I think it is ... T_T

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ToRsupapower:

I think you're thinking about the right person ~_~

[TAEdgE]

TaeJa = BombaZenith
Hana = MaxZenith
Frapz = CoCoa http://www.sc2ranks.com/kr/1899538/CoCoA
Rapz = SSapoZenith
Balloon = NsPBalloon
Ryoomak = lOvRyooMak
MaSteR = SPR member spare account (but why in Tier 1 team?)

Personally I really wanna see tbk, Rs and Ist get a chance they have earnt.

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	Maynarde:	Phew
	syfChadMann:	SEA Clan league... not Kr Clan League.
	AxSGRiM:

[nirvAnA]

Master all you have to do is tell us more about these players. I think everyone is familiar with the other guys but not these:

BalloonSPR
FrapzSPR
Hana
taeJa

Link their bnet profile and tell us their total games played, and when they started playing on SEA.

Because by right only the following are allowed to play:
1) SEA residents or
2) Non-SEA residents but long time players of the server (salvation, soulman, targa)

Everyone will be happy after you do so!

Thanks Master

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ROOTPetraeus:

So much more helpful than EdgE

[nirvAnA]

lmao edge how do u know all those names

lOvRyooMak what!

[TAEdgE]

He beat HerO on stream yesterday, so impressive

[ChoiJaeHoon]

Originally Posted by EdgE

Kim SungHee (SoongHeeSPR): then again
master is brining all the koreans to play seacl
Kim SungHee (SoongHeeSPR): he bascially told everyone he knows on kr to play seacl

This is not fairness. Since you can speak korean, you can go and get any random high master korean you want that is better (arguably) than the majority of the 'SEA' players. Your initial lineup turned from a half~ aussie/singaporean/malaysian lineup into your current lineup of pure Korean..

edit: Since you lost pokerface, I definitely think Ryoomak can play. Ryoomak is very good, but has played for a long time on SEA and losing pokerface does hurt, but such a drastic lineup change to koreans who play sparingly on SEA just doesn't seem in the spirit of competition :/

he bascially told everyone he knows on kr to play seacl

is there a any problem from this sentence ?
they accepted and try to be active. u guys just seems like afraid of losing to them.
that is reason why SEA is worst server.
Most of tourney is too strict to foreigner u know

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	cRSenSei:	we no afraid
	wolf:	doesn't afraid of anything
	EveVendetta:	Unnecessary arrogance.
	faithHunter:	I can't accept you saying that our server is the worst server, sorry.
	NvRossi:	Such a strong argument
	EveMassacrisM:	Missed the point. You need to move to sea or be active for a VERY LONG TIME.
	TAEdarus:	Try to be active? They're supposed to BE active, not trying!!
	TADivinity:	Tosser

[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

he bascially told everyone he knows on kr to play seacl

is there a any problem from this sentence ?
they accepted and try to be active. u guys just seems like afraid of losing to them.
that is reason why SEA is worst server.
Most of tourney is too strict to foreigner u know

See this is the exact stupid attitude I expected when you got called out. we KNOW SEA is not the highest server, your players know that.

It's not afraid - it's a SEA tourney. Sorry, i'll get Champi to call up HuK and Ret to play on SEA for 2 weeks, and then play in our lineup. Heavy exaggeration but do you see how that ruins it being a SEA tournament?

At least ask if your koreans can play, get them to play a month or so in advance, release their proper names.

It's a SEA TOURNAMENT. Ryoomak and Soulman can play, that is already very lenient. Thanks for calling SEA a joke, that's why you won't get your lineup through, proving your intentions.

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TAEdarus:

EDGESMASHED!

[ChoiJaeHoon]

Originally Posted by EdgE

See this is the exact stupid attitude I expected when you got called out. we KNOW SEA is not the highest server, your players know that.

It's not afraid - it's a SEA tourney. Sorry, i'll get Champi to call up HuK and Ret to play on SEA for 2 weeks, and then play in our lineup. Heavy exaggeration but do you see how that ruins it being a SEA tournament?

At least ask if your koreans can play, get them to play a month or so in advance, release their proper names.

It's a SEA TOURNAMENT. Ryoomak and Soulman can play, that is already very lenient. Thanks for calling SEA a joke, that's why you won't get your lineup through, proving your intentions.

It is highly regrettable that my english isnt good

please ask champi to call up huk and Ret to play on SEA ?
u think we are afarid of them ? no. It makes SEA level to high and more funny
until when will we just see that xgking,TA,alT,infi won the tourney

u dont think its boring happen ? or u cant feel any feeling.

and i think u are delusioning. SPR based on korean.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

It is highly regrettable that my english isnt good

please ask champi to call up huk and Ret to play on SEA ?
u think we are afarid of them ? no. It makes SEA level to high and more funny
until when will we just see that xgking,TA,alT,infi won the tourney

u dont think its boring happen ? or u cant feel any feeling.

I think what EdgE is saying, isn't that he is scared or doesn't want the challenge - if that were the case then he wouldn't have bought himself a Kr account for ladder.

However, the League's aim is not to give a bunch of people money for winning - but to grow the SEA community. By allowing high level Koreans to dominate the league has two results -
1) the Koreans win, money leaves the SEA community
2) Everyone says "well we aren't going to beat the Koreans - why bother playing..." and next season... no one signs up.

This league is about building the SEA Community. Therefore it is for SEA teams and clans.

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	Nemo:	+1
	TAEdarus:	FATALITY
	nirvAnA:
	asdfSchnitzel:
	AxSGRiM:	GG

[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

It is highly regrettable that my english isnt good

please ask champi to call up huk and Ret to play on SEA ?
u think we are afarid of them ? no. It makes SEA level to high and more funny
until when will we just see that xgking,TA,alT,infi won the tourney

u dont think its boring happen ? or u cant feel any feeling.

Your english is cute, just saying

I know you think it will make it interesting, but rules over time have been put in to prevent Koreans playing (and winning) tournaments that the SEA community put on for SEA players to play in. sc2sea and others have been extremely lenient with Soulman, KingKong, and now even Rapz and Ryoomak are being ALLOWED to play for you. Every team has slowly added SEA players, then all of a sudden for SEACL you add Koreans (Non SEA-residents, they don't talk to anyone but SPR members, they don't play often) to your line-up, thus making your team extremely inflated.

By the way, there are other teams such as Eve and ToT that can definitely stir things up.

And you may find it boring, but why does your team deserve to have the Koreans that shake things up? Why not Eve? Why not ToT? Oh, they don't speak Korean and don't have higher up friends.

MasterSPR, it's about being as fair as possible. Yes historically there are the big 4/5, but SPR in my opinion is a new member of that and with Soulman and Ryoomak you definitely have a chance. You are underrating your team that you are sort of dissing by bringing these guys in.

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RockSPR:

Your english is cute, just saying Your english is cute, just saying Your english is cute, just saying Your english is cute, just saying Your english is cute, just saying Your english is cute, just saying Your english is cute, just saying Your english

[dippa]

Originally Posted by ChoiJaeHoon

It is highly regrettable that my english isnt good

please ask champi to call up huk and Ret to play on SEA ?
u think we are afarid of them ? no. It makes SEA level to high and more funny
until when will we just see that xgking,TA,alT,infi won the tourney

u dont think its boring happen ? or u cant feel any feeling.

and i think u are delusioning. SPR based on korean.

jesus christ.

it's not that people are afraid to play better players. that's why most of the people playing in the top tier own accounts on korea.

the problem is by bringing people who clearly have no association with SEA it turns the whole tournament into an exercise of who knows the best pro gamers.

which is a complete ******* joke; surely you can accept that.

the point of the SEA clan league is to showcase the best players in SEA. if we wanted to showcase the best players possible, then i'm sure nirvana would just run a tournament open to all the big clans.

but then that wouldn't be a SEA clan league anymore.

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	ROOT`iaguz:	Basically this.
	Nemo:	Agreed
	mGGDaedalus:
	AxSGRiM:

[dippa]

And another thing.

Let's put aside the blatant stacking of non-SEA players to one side for a second, and have a look at SPR's proposed B-team roster.

GGist
NothanxSPR
SatuSPR
XenomorphSPR
KangSPR
SooieSPR
RsSPR
tbkSPR
BlitzSPR
GnuelSPR
PulseSPR
PeleusSPR
LucienSPR

Are you ******* serious?

Sooie, ist, Satu, tbk, Rs - they should be playing in the top tier. Just throwing out those five every week could easily obliterate every team in the second division.

This is the problem - by stacking the A-team with so many koreans (aka players who are only playing on SEA because someone messaged them to get some ladder games in), you open the door to completely break open all the other divisions as well.

Please nirvana, I implore you; put the foot down and get this shit sorted ASAP.

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	syfChadMann:
	RockSPR:	Y NO ROCK THERE

[RockSPR]

LOL epic situation over here!
But pls dont bully master so hard >_<

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TAriiChard:

we're not bullying... Just stating facts and rules of the tournament

[NvRossi]

then tell him to put more thought into his posts

such as "they accepted and try to be active. u guys just seems like afraid of losing to them.
that is reason why SEA is worst server."