[Flaunt]

all pRotimber does is cheese. i matched him 6x in a row and he all ind me every game. his play is pretty predictable after awhile so maybe ghost really did know it was coming

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	aLtShortizz:	So if he cheese and all-in alot, hes not allowed to call out a Map hacker? really?
	:	that's not what he said shortizz, just a harmless comment!
	x5.Revenant:	Yeaps that's a valid point! You may be able to read opponents more easily if the playstyle is repeated.
	TAEdgE:
	nGenLight:	Missing the point shortizz
	SLCN.NXZ:	Wouldnt normally rep this but making up for shortizz's downvote
	Rage:	shortizz -he meant that if you know someone all-in a lot you expect it
	TCPKiaSu:	nice one

[x5.Revenant]

Originally Posted by Flaunt

all pRotimber does is cheese. i matched him 6x in a row and he all ind me every game. his play is pretty predictable after awhile so maybe ghost really did know it was coming

Sorry that you had to be one of the casualties of the absence of comprehension :/ You have my regards.

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	PiG:	...what? I don't even...
	:	@Pig Refer to the rep comments on Flaunt's post,
	NvRossi:	trying too hard pig
	nirvAnA:	He made an irrelevant post here just to attack shortizz cause of their past history. doesnt deserve +rep

[pRoTimber]

Originally Posted by Flaunt

all pRotimber does is cheese. i matched him 6x in a row and he all ind me every game. his play is pretty predictable after awhile so maybe ghost really did know it was coming

yes yes, i typed whole 2 paragraph and deleted them, i remember im an ignorant

[Nemo]

Thanks Ghost for understanding our (including Timber) inquiries. We will watch those replays.

Originally Posted by pRoTimber

yes yes, i typed whole 2 paragraph and deleted them, i remember im an ignorant

Timber, you're not ignorant. Please, don't be touchy.

You have done great on identifying hackers. I remember perfectly that you were one of those who had the balls to make that call at the time :

Originally Posted by pRoTimber

its kinda obvious from the 2 video link, i would share cosmos grief..like ur comments in the video, "SERIOUSLY!?"

Neutral people (including me) will watch the new replays of Ghost. When done I will ask you what you think about it. As crAzerk says in OP, truth come from confrontation of opinions of many people. We need your feedback on our analysis.

No matter what the conclusions of those inquiries, you were right to post those replays as the first one, without context, is suspect and require explanations.

[Nemo]

pRoTimber vs Ghost

League :
Map : Metapolis
Length : 16min39
Version 1.4.2

Replay Analysis

• 3:51 : A SCV is building a depot right in your base. You know there is barrack with lab tech in his base and then there could be a reaper really near your base. You're Chronoing a Stalker but not harassing too much the SCV. Legit move.

• 4:48 : I'm puzzled you're not sending your Stalker scout or not trying to control the Xel'Naga at all, but the stalker is clearly needed to defend any reaper, so it's legit. But no Xel'Naga control at all in both games seen is weird.

• 6:22 : Your stalker is moved from your natural to your main and at the same moment the reaper is nearing the center of the map. Very slight suspicion.

• 6:47 : The army of Timber goes out of his base, you're Chronoing your 3 Warpgate while you have still your bases to saturate. It's suspicious or a perfect timing. For top of SEA : Is this legit in this timing to do that without any information.

• 6:47 : Moreover, the Reaper is now south of the map and the stalker leaves the main to come back to the natural: Suspicious go and return move by the Stalker synchronized with the reaper moves.

• 7:10 : The reaper attacks by the south an retreat but you're not pursuing him at all, even without 1 stalker. You're obviously waiting for something but not scouting at all, so you should not know Timber's army arrives. Suspicious.

• 7:26 : Pre-splitting you're stalkers. Not even one waiting for the reaper at the South.

• Not a single stalker waiting for the reaper in the main now though the only thing you see from Timber is a Reaper. You perfectly know that Timber is arriving and perfectly ready for his army while without hack you could not know it. For me that's evidence of Map Hacking.

• 9:14 : You don't see the army of Timber coming to your drone and you still retreat it at the exact moment Timber's army arrives. Again, you don't use your drone to scout around to see what is happening and there was no reason to retreat that drone at that moment, your army was arriving. That can't be luck no more and still absolutely no scouting. Not even once you got to the Xel'Naga, not even once at that moment of the game. For me that's evidence of Map Hacking.

• You had a robo at exactly 12 minute but never bothered to make an obs without being under pressure since you had denied Timber Natural and made many damages and you had 2 bases fully saturated and a big army sieging him in his main. In the context of what have been listed above it becomes more that suspicious too.

From that point Timber has lost his army, you're sending yours like a boss without any scouting in his base and win after some time.



My own conclusion (and it's only a opinion)

• I have never seen a player scout this few. In fact apart from your first drone scout, you didn't scouted a single time before destroying Timber's Natural. Not once and you didn't get surprised a single time either. For me thats more than suspicion. maybe not evidence as it could be insane luck, but personally I don't believe it.
• You were at least 2 times 100% aware (not suspecting, 100% aware) of Timber push without having any vision of what was coming or very substantial signs. That's for me 2 clear evidences of Map Hacking.
• When watching this replay I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I was watching even more suspect things than in the 1rst game and telling myself : "He didn't send a replay of a game when he map hacked. That's not possible, that would be so risky !". And after watching it very closely, I'm unfortunately quite convinced you Map Hacked this game you just sent us.

Truth come from the opinion of multiple people. Nirvana, you unfortunately has to watch it very closely too and control the different points I'm listing and the rest of the game. You have far better knowledge of the game in general and in particular, you have to confirm or infirm my points. Same for other members of the community and top es.


Beleive me, I really would like to be proven wrong, and I'm still very open to the possibility. I tried my best and I was I think quite neutral on the subject.


I can't make the 2 other replays tonight. I will continue tomorrow (in 22 hours) as i have to go to bed now.

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