[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Yeah I don't think having Masters and GM players in Tier 3 will work.. you might want to split and try and get a third M/Gm team or move your Plat/Dai/M/Gm players into Tier 2 and some of the plats can probably play in Tier 4...

Other teams in T3 are already chock full of masters. On average our team is still weak for that division. Not being all kill format makes the whole one strong player argument incredibly weak. Even if Dano and Jae carry with 2 kills every week, we only barely win, and if everyone knows they will play Dano for ace every week they can plan their best vT to go ace. Im sure there are plenty of masters in tier 3 who can take him down if they know that.

It also seems silly if we have to force clans to just rush and try to pick up a bunch of players that aren't a good fit just to fill out a roster with people in specific leagues.

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[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

Other teams in T3 are already chock full of masters. On average our team is still weak for that division. Not being all kill format makes the whole one strong player argument incredibly weak. Even if Dano and Jae carry with 2 kills every week, we only barely win, and if everyone knows they will play Dano for ace every week they can plan their best vT to go ace. Im sure there are plenty of masters in tier 3 who can take him down if they know that.

It also seems silly if we have to force clans to just rush and try to pick up a bunch of players that aren't a good fit just to fill out a roster with people in specific leagues.

While I haven't been thru all the rosters yet to check how many Masters and GMs there are in each team, I still feel that this many Masters and Gms is a bit OP... if the two Gms play and win every week then the worst you'll do is get a draw... (unless on the off chance, they lose). Also, if this team wins with out separation into two teams, next season you'll see this team in Tier 2 - the plats included..

While there has been no ruling on this yet, I'd suggest splitting into two teams is advisable, I'll talk to Lemminks and Frogmite about it soon and see if it permitted.


EDIT: Just had a browse through some of the teams rosters that have signed up. None have Gms and I think there is only 1 with a Master league player - VB, who also have a few golds in the Tier 3 team.

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Also, if this team wins with out separation into two teams, next season you'll see this team in Tier 2 - the plats included..

This is a very very good point - I mentioned that it might be tough on the players to keep coming back if they get put into Tier 2 and keep losing, but they are going to face that next season anyway.

[Stallion]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

While I haven't been thru all the rosters yet to check how many Masters and GMs there are in each team, I still feel that this many Masters and Gms is a bit OP... if the two Gms play and win every week then the worst you'll do is get a draw... (unless on the off chance, they lose). Also, if this team wins with out separation into two teams, next season you'll see this team in Tier 2 - the plats included..

While there has been no ruling on this yet, I'd suggest splitting into two teams is advisable, I'll talk to Lemminks and Frogmite about it soon and see if it permitted.

to put it in perspective for you the crux B team which is entirely - 3 people masters players is in tier 3. tier 2 is you can have an entire team of gm players is the difference. You also have to remember you are putting a lot of pressure on Jae and Danosuar to win every time to even get a draw which is hard and Eramus has an exellent point of view on this if they know that one of those two is ace every match then it gives the oppoent an advantage in knowing itl be a T or P. Also remember GM doesnt really mean that much over the high masters players its more who ahs the better mmr at the time for example cruxDoc aka Souljah missed out on gm but is top of masters still matching up vs top 50 gms. Theres no way that teams op mate and if you look at tier two teams im sure you will see why ^_^ glgl ToR Hwaiting

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by cruxStallion

to put it in perspective for you the crux B team which is entirely - 3 people masters players is in tier 3. tier 2 is you can have an entire team of gm players is the difference. You also have to remember you are putting a lot of pressure on Jae and Danosuar to win every time to even get a draw which is hard and Eramus has an exellent point of view on this if they know that one of those two is ace every match then it gives the oppoent an advantage in knowing itl be a T or P. Also remember GM doesnt really mean that much over the high masters players its more who ahs the better mmr at the time for example cruxDoc aka Souljah missed out on gm but is top of masters still matching up vs top 50 gms. Theres no way that teams op mate and if you look at tier two teams im sure you will see why ^_^ glgl ToR Hwaiting

How are maps determined for this league too, cause that has an effect. Knowing you are against Dano with first map shak for example, you don't send out a zerg.

Also nice to know what day or time this runs at for people to make a commitment. Like, we have to be 100% committed to sign up, but I know there are days/times I just can't do. But I don't know this comp doesn't run then yet.

Do we publish our 5 players ahead of time, or pick as we go? In the second case they are 100% sure of our ace if we have used one of our two GMs already and can send a sniper. So many factors involved, and we don't really know anything about them yet.

Also, the whole 2A/2B thing doesn't make any sense. Just call them tier 1-5. I don't think there's anything special about tier 2 which works differently to the others, right?

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

How are maps determined for this league too, cause that has an effect. Knowing you are against Dano with first map shak for example, you don't send out a zerg.

Also nice to know what day or time this runs at for people to make a commitment. Like, we have to be 100% committed to sign up, but I know there are days/times I just can't do. But I don't know this comp doesn't run then yet.

Do we publish our 5 players ahead of time, or pick as we go? In the second case they are 100% sure of our ace if we have used one of our two GMs already and can send a sniper. So many factors involved, and we don't really know anything about them yet.

Also, the whole 2A/2B thing doesn't make any sense. Just call them tier 1-5. I don't think there's anything special about tier 2 which works differently to the others, right?

Information will be out soon... I'm not sure how other leagues will run but we will try and be flexible and teams are permitted to arrange a time that isn't the standard time to play their matches.

The lines ups should be pm'd to the admin of that league before the match. Also, as its not King of the hill format games can be played concurrently or if needed I'm sure upon request 1 or 2 games could be played at a later time/date

The 2a/2b thing came up because alot of teams were submitting teams for tier 2... and there was a notable gap in skill in some of these teams, so they were split into a A and B division.

Regardless, the line up that is being discussed here, should be fine for Tier 2b.. Tier 3 is where there may be issues.

Thanks, hopefully this is all cleared up now - keep your eyes out for more updates soon!