[mGMUSE]

(replays in next post)

After 3 seasons..

Game2(TDA)

Once again, completely no drone scout, doesn't even see my base until my nat starts mining(and even then only the edge of the glowing minerals).

1:55 - 2:10: Watch my SCV scout and his line of sight - He NEVER sees the SCV on any of his overlord yet he decides to change the path of his Drone(that was going to be a hatch) downwards to avoid my SCV. Clear tell imo.

3:15 - 3:30: Again, look at his line of sight - He doesn't see the bunker building yet he pulls 3 drones immediately. Sure, you could say that his overlord spotted my scv for a brief moment at 3:15, but LOOK AT HIS PLAYER CAM - HE WASN'T LOOKING AT THAT SPOT!

5:45: Roach Warren when he hasn't scouted me AT ALL and I seemed to be bunker pushing him(roaches are usually more reserved for reaper openings). Probably production tab hacking - He saw that I was making reactored hellions

6:00: Preemptive split of zerglings right before my hellions came in. An excellent player might be able to do that

Rest of the game didnt have much of a tell, but just keep an eye on the Production tab as well as my activities and his.

14:10: Banes morph RIGHT BEFORE my army reaches his base without seeing my army move out.

Final battle - Not very suspicious but he attacks right before my reinforcements arrives.

[mGMUSE]

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[FaDeGofire]

Originally Posted by mGMUSE

(replays in next post)

After 3 seasons..

Game2(TDA)

Once again, completely no drone scout, doesn't even see my base until my nat starts mining(and even then only the edge of the glowing minerals).

1:55 - 2:10: Watch my SCV scout and his line of sight - He NEVER sees the SCV on any of his overlord yet he decides to change the path of his Drone(that was going to be a hatch) downwards to avoid my SCV. Clear tell imo.

3:15 - 3:30: Again, look at his line of sight - He doesn't see the bunker building yet he pulls 3 drones immediately. Sure, you could say that his overlord spotted my scv for a brief moment at 3:15, but LOOK AT HIS PLAYER CAM - HE WASN'T LOOKING AT THAT SPOT!

5:45: Roach Warren when he hasn't scouted me AT ALL and I seemed to be bunker pushing him(roaches are usually more reserved for reaper openings). Probably production tab hacking - He saw that I was making reactored hellions

6:00: Preemptive split of zerglings right before my hellions came in. An excellent player might be able to do that

Rest of the game didnt have much of a tell, but just keep an eye on the Production tab as well as my activities and his.

14:10: Banes morph RIGHT BEFORE my army reaches his base without seeing my army move out.

Final battle - Not very suspicious but he attacks right before my reinforcements arrives.

hmm.. i'm not thoroughly convinced..
1. the drone dodging scv scout looked the most suspicious to me. i'm not a zerg player so i don't know.. is it possible that he always does it when 15 hatching? at high level, opponents will time their scout to come just before 15 hatch to block it.. so hiding drone might be a valid strat?

2. if he was watching minimap the scv movement looked suspicious enough to justify pulling a couple of drones to check; especially since he had no vision of his nat. also, the drones did not go straight to the bunker. i'm not sure about this either.

3. reactor hellion is the most common tvz opener. tal'darim is pretty good for hellion harass. maybe it's just a precaution?

4. wouldn't a good zerg player have a sense of when the hellions will be out and near his base? not a clear tell of maphacking imo

5. banes morphed right after the zerglings where produced. could be that he wanted to make banelings immediately?

sorry if my points are stupid. This is just my opinion and reasoning of why he might have done those actions. evets is my clan mate and friend.. i really need to see undeniable proof of maphacking or his confession before i can believe it. I would like to see more replays please


EDIT: @nrvgrim i don't regret anything i posted here. Evets admitted to hacking against timber and has assured me he has only done it twice. I have no reason to believe he used hacks against muse unless more replays are provided. as pig said.. this replay is not conclusive evidence of maphacking.

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AxSGRiM:

Kinda funny he admitted it, eh?

[mGMUSE]

Originally Posted by FaDeGofire

hmm.. i'm not thoroughly convinced..
1. the drone dodging scv scout looked the most suspicious to me. i'm not a zerg player so i don't know.. is it possible that he always does it when 15 hatching? at high level, opponents will time their scout to come just before 15 hatch to block it.. so hiding drone might be a valid strat?

2. if he was watching minimap the scv movement looked suspicious enough to justify pulling a couple of drones to check; especially since he had no vision of his nat. also, the drones did not go straight to the bunker. i'm not sure about this either.

3. reactor hellion is the most common tvz opener. tal'darim is pretty good for hellion harass. maybe it's just a precaution?

4. wouldn't a good zerg player have a sense of when the hellions will be out and near his base? not a clear tell of maphacking imo

5. banes morphed right after the zerglings where produced. could be that he wanted to make banelings immediately?

sorry if my points are stupid. This is just my opinion and reasoning of why he might have done those actions. evets is my clan mate and friend.. i really need to see undeniable proof of maphacking or his confession before i can believe it. I would like to see more replays please

i feel that your post is too biased, you have to view the replay with a neutral mindset instead of 'how to defend my clanmate'

1. ok.............
2. pulled 3 drones to check?
3+4.
remember this was back in season 2, where 2rax or reaper openings were the norm and hardly anyone went reactored hellions. to have that kind of understanding at that time would mean..... only nestea on crack

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	PiG:	nestea on crack? helion openers have ALWAYS been extremely common
	AxSGRiM:

[PiG]

Originally Posted by mGMUSE

(replays in next post)

After 3 seasons..

Game2(TDA)

Once again, completely no drone scout, doesn't even see my base until my nat starts mining(and even then only the edge of the glowing minerals).

1:55 - 2:10: Watch my SCV scout and his line of sight - He NEVER sees the SCV on any of his overlord yet he decides to change the path of his Drone(that was going to be a hatch) downwards to avoid my SCV. Clear tell imo.

3:15 - 3:30: Again, look at his line of sight - He doesn't see the bunker building yet he pulls 3 drones immediately. Sure, you could say that his overlord spotted my scv for a brief moment at 3:15, but LOOK AT HIS PLAYER CAM - HE WASN'T LOOKING AT THAT SPOT!

5:45: Roach Warren when he hasn't scouted me AT ALL and I seemed to be bunker pushing him(roaches are usually more reserved for reaper openings). Probably production tab hacking - He saw that I was making reactored hellions

6:00: Preemptive split of zerglings right before my hellions came in. An excellent player might be able to do that

Rest of the game didnt have much of a tell, but just keep an eye on the Production tab as well as my activities and his.

14:10: Banes morph RIGHT BEFORE my army reaches his base without seeing my army move out.

Final battle - Not very suspicious but he attacks right before my reinforcements arrives.

*The drone dodging the scv is unexplainable but is not proof in of itself. Sometimes you see chronoboost and other animations through fog of war and as your scv goes past his overlord barely out of vision I think he may have been able to see it in-game even if we can't in the replay this is just a small possibility. Also he could have had his hatchery blocked in previous games and was just taking precautions to avoid the possibility of scouting scvs. Whilst this sounds stupid I see players do this sort of thing ALL the time where they blindcounter things because they've been fighting it on ladder alot.

*He doesn't have an overlord over the hatchery and sees the scv go near it, pulling 3 drones to deal with it is understandable.

*This was ages ago soon after i coached evets how to play vs reactor helions with early roaches. If I'm not misinterpreting it looks like he's playing rather blind simply because he's focusing on his new build order. Now to react with a warren against a 1 rax bunker pressure by expecting helions following it is absolutely standard... you only could have gone helions or 1 rax FE from here. So evets actually made a mistake by going roaches without scouting/verifying you had taken gas and weren't expanding. Basically he was just assuming he had to defend the more aggressive of the 2 options (obviously reactor helions are more aggressive then 1 rax fe...) and prepared accordingly.

*pre-split zerglings is normal. if you don't have anything but lings to defend helions then its standard
*He just got raped by an attack and morphs alot of banes defensively against a player who's shown Marine marauder + blueflame play. This is in no way a tell.

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