[iVnStinger]

Ok! We are In VisioN of your base. Fail joke. Well, first FictioN, now Wallace. But to be honest, based on the evidence collected and what I've gone through, it just seems as though Wallace is a pretty random player. Here are what I think of the submitted replays.

Replay submitted by pRoNotoriouS : (No GG, BM!!! Just kidding xD )

I admit, this is highly suspicious. Making 2 gates at your own base, without scouting is really not a standard opener if you ask me. He did not look into the fog of war, as stated by Pickle. Could be looking at the minimap instead, but really he could've been 2gated a few games before and just blind countered.

Quote: When his scouting probe left his base he saw your probe coming in from an abnormal angle. There is no reason for your probe to take that scouting path unless you're up to something strange, in response to this he threw down the second gate. ~ Odds

Replays submitted by TAChampi :


Game 1: Because he did not scout the top left first, I will not say its not possible he maphacked. After all, you can watch the minimap.


Game 2 : I do not believe any map hacks were used in this game, for the simple reason that he was actually scouting (Top left base, then bottom right). Yes maybe he was doing that to cover up. But if you watch his camera movement, it does not suggest maphacks. Again, you could say he can see it all on the minimap, but I don't think this is solid enough evidence to convict him.

Note: I also think that it's really luck where he places his pylon, because if he scouts it will delay the 2gate.

I've also gone through what Peleus has posted, and like Nemo, I do not think any map hacks were used.

Conclusion :

I will talk to Wallace the next time I see him on. Should he have really been using map hacks, I think it is best to come clean and accept the punishment instead of delaying the inevitable. (If he was hacking) After reading the discussions as well as watching the replay, I myself believe that Wallce was NOT HACKING. I'd like to apologize to everyone for the trouble. I promise that this issue will be resolved shortly, after I have talked to Wallace. I'd also like to thank the people who have contributed to the discussion by giving their opinions as well as supplying us with replays. Special thanks to Nemo for running this thread so well. I hope we can solve this soon. ^^

+ [Important] +

As it has caused issues in the past, this is MY PERSONAL opinion. I am not speaking on behalf of Team InVisioN, as I have not discussed this with DoMo. Should I have wrong info or said something offensive, it is all on me.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by TAChampi

I believe wallace is a maphacker aswell, Fourby and i both played him on entombed valley on the same day and he proxied 2 gates outside both our bases at the exact same location (4 player map) without scouting us with the exact same spawns. he either guessed both times and got stupidly lucky or he is maphacking. Due to other people accusing him, im not going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

In both those games Wallace proxies hes gates right between the North 2 potential opponent bases. He could have better chances proxiing them nearer the real base if he was MH. Like that he has 2 chances out of 3 to be correctly placed for proxy 2 gate.

Originally Posted by TAChampi

http://drop.sc/173428

Game vs Fourby.

Originally Posted by TAChampi

http://drop.sc/173429

Game vs Champi.

Those 2 games tells us he doesn't like PvP and proxy 2 gate is a very usual strategy for him, but mainly proxied.
Why he didn't proxied them vs Notorious is still suspicious. Maybe is to gain some time on his gates. It might be quite similar timings and better to defend a 2 gates on this map where it might be more common. We can't know for sure.

So, in my opinion, I would say it paradoxically slightly lighten the suspicion on him. His hate of PvP make him make the most basic All-ins to make them short. The place where he places his 2 proxy gates indicates he's taking his (good) chances that the opponent base is on one of the 2 North spots.

That doesn't prove he's innocent either so other replay of PvP and especially one where he would fail his "guess" would be useful. Only PvP on ladder please suspicious or not (or suspicious other ones).

Video : http://www.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/317325542

[Snx.Mufasa]

was able to get a hold of wallace today...

he was just trying out a new build... he said he talked to notorious and cleared everything up.

[Nemo]

Notorious, can you confirm you talked to Wallace and that things are cleared up in your opinion ?

[x5.NotoriouS]

Originally Posted by Nemo

Notorious, can you confirm you talked to Wallace and that things are cleared up in your opinion ?

Hihi hadn't checked this in ages.

just want to confirm that Wallace isn't a hacker.

I happened to play him on ladder again on one of my other accs about a month ago~ he did the same 2 gate in his own base build..

So my apoligies. It's just his build.

Quick Comments

iVnStinger:

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

Hihi hadn't checked this in ages.

just want to confirm that Wallace isn't a hacker.

I happened to play him on ladder again on one of my other accs about a month ago~ he did the same 2 gate in his own base build..

So my apoligies. It's just his build.

Case closed then.

For LiFeWiRe, thanks for the added testimonies, Alopex and jayaiwhy.

[jayaiwhy]

LiFeWiRe

http://drop.sc/188261

He triple pylon blocked me, that's fine because he saw my overlord coming into his base,

BUT

around 7:20 and around 11:00 obvious glance at my main

+blind cannon + stargate cancel when I was making mutas

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:
	mGGNemesis:	apparently he made lots of ppl mad last evening :/

[AlopexToT]

talking about LiFeWiRe i have a rep against him as well,
didn't know he was hacking at the time just thought he was very very bad.

http://drop.sc/188668

also he knows chinese as well where he referred my clan ToT as "bangzi"
and its an offensive word to koreans :S

[Dumbledore]

http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do...load=1&blind=1

device on EU ladder = obvious maphacker

[NvRossi]

When multiple people already think someone hacks based off their online experiences with someone (not too common in my circle) as well as his lack of LAN qualifications based off references from
Xavi: “ loses to nobodies at perth LANs”
Yang: “[2:26:57 AM] yang: he barely plays and when he shows up to lan he loses, then plays in the masters cup after weeks of not playing and has perfect decision making? seems suss”

A discussion between us followed by the analysis of some his replays we all came to the same agreement. Here is our evidence. He is damned in our eyes already but we will present our evidence for you to make your own judgements. If you’re going to respond to this please do so objectively and having actually watched all the games in order to make an educated decision. This level of analysis is necessary as this is extremely serious in our eyes.


I’ll be analysing his tvps vs Yang and tvts vs myself from the previous masters cup ( a series in which a TA member notified me he was listed as a spectator in the streams observers)

Mafia is analysing his tvz’s vs Enderr and Targa is analysing his tvz’s vs Mafia. These are the only reps we have looked at so far.

Targa's Analysis

Hacker analysis by TargA, Mafia vs asgchobo series.


Mafia vs asgchobo Shakuras game:


link: http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1257

5:05 stares a long time at the overlord that spots the proxy raxes

knows that he has to commit, if not it will look too obvious.

6:12 sees 2 spines and 2 queens, pulls back everything

we had a discussion with terrans and zergs, if you see 2 spines and 2 queens you still commit cause this usually means the zerg has no units, and 20 scvs 14 marines kills queens without energy and spines really fast. At this point Mafia was pumping out lings and had speed almost finished. Chobo did not see the lings.

7:05 kinda suspect that he keeps calm and and doesnt raise his supply depots when the ling counter attack is coming. Imo, he knows exactly how many lings are coming. He even keeps one of his raxes lifted, when in reality a ton of lings and banelings could be coming and that would mean game over.

11:50 takes the 6o clock expand, cause he knows that mafia is making infestors, chobo has 2 engineering bays but no turrets, still havent scanned or scouted mafias base.

12:50 lifts up his wall, makes reactors, and takes the 4th. He has no idea what Mafia is doing ( this is also the timing where a ling bling muta attack would happen) , chobo has no tanks and is sitting calm with his marines.

He also moves his marines down, still no map control/ vision.

14:00 Was gonna send 2 drop ships to mafias main,but knows that mafia has that covered with overlords, he sends them to mafias 5th that was about to be made, he sends the drop so mafias overlord doesnt see it.

15:10 mafias great spire is building, chobo ( still has no map vision or knows what mafia is doing) scans mafias main, and then his natural. Right after he drops 3 starports. Imo he does this so it doesnt look suspect.

16:45 stims a bunch of units to avoid mafia burrowing his ling at the 5th base. Makes a turret too to avoid burrowed infestors.

18:20 hits the money scan right on top of all of mafias unit and spines(3rd time he scanned this game)

19:10 chobo has a sensor tower, mafia backs, chobo follows the units in the fog, moves the vikings to kill the broods and then scans. (thats not how its supposed to be done)

from 19:30 – 20:30 he has no map control even though he could easily claim it with marines (in theory) then he drops two scans sees everything.

21:20 repositions his units when mafia is moving out, doesnt spread his units at all even though there are red dots on the mini map from the sensor towers ( I would be ******* afraid of the infestors)

after the big fight, keeps making vikings ( normally a zerg would tech switch to ultras, mafia had a large bank and making more broods/ corruptors is not normal)

25:00 hits money scan

rest of the game: lots of money scans, hes always controlling his units when mafia attacks. (When I watch the best terrans in the world play they are almost never controlling their units when zerg attacks, always a delay in reaction, this guys reacts before mafia attacks)

Game 2 mafia vs asgchobo daybreak

link: http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1258

proxy 2 rax, mafia sees the 2nd scv, all though mafia doesnt react to it, most terrans at this point would abort the proxy 2 rax and instead do a proxy 1 rax pressure.

3:50 he pulls his units back before he sees the drones coming

His army positioning is constantly weird, most likely knows exactly when the lings come out.

Game 3 mafia vs asgchobo ohana

link: http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1259

he was gonna do some crazy bad all in, but mafia sends in the overlord and scouts it. He aborts the all in, builds 2 !!! command centers without knowing what mafia is doing, he has no map control even tho he has hellions ( he has them idle at the defensive watch tower) He knows that mafia took gas, so in theory, 30 lings could be in coming.

7:11 stops making hellions, only has 3. floats factory away from reactor.

8:25 after barely watching over his hellions, mafia sends out 2 lings, he doesnt hunt down the lings with his hellions right away, instead he sends 5 marines to block it at the rocks of the 4th base. He keeps a few marines at his natural ramp to kill the other ling. He also moves back his hellions and at this point mafia has 33 lings.

At the same time he rallies the viking directly to the overlord hiding behind mafias natural.

9:40 scans mafias base, sees the spire. (remember how he didnt do this game 1? ) He also started his engineering bays right after mafia started his spire.

During all this time he sends his viking around the map, always finding a overlord.

13:20 moves his marines to kill mutas before he could see them

At the same time, he clumps up all his units, he has no unit spread and his only map vision is the defensive tower, which does not give u enough time to spread out ur tanks (which are unsieged) and marines if mafia decided to do a 3 base baneling ling muta push. Instead hes calm as ice.

~14 min mark he loads up 2 medivacs full of marines, he first rallies them to mafias 3rd, after mafia runs past all of chobos units, he decides to chase ( mark of a terrible player that knows exactly what ur doing) and send his 2 medivacs to mafias 4th which he did not know of.

~15 min mark he pushes the 4th, sieges his tanks up at a weird postionings ( because mafia is about to attack)

He continues to rally units, at a point where most terrans would pick up their units and back off, but during the game mafia has been sloppy with injects and therefor have no larva to remax even though hes banking quite a bit.

After killing the 4th and backing up, clearing up the counter attack, he moves around a bit, and mafia has all his units in the middle. He loads up 2 medivacs send them to mafias main, he hits a money scan again, moves up to mafias old 4th. Unloads medivacs in main, and moves his camera back to his main force when mafia decides to attack. He also sent a small force of marines and a tank to kill mafias new 4th.

Targa: In summary I am 100% sure that chobo maphacks and production tab hacks, it is evident in his scans, his army positioning and how he plays

Mafia's Analysis

ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.

9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.

16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.


Rossi's Analysis

G1 yang vs asgchobo bel’shir beach
This game is relatively clean. I can’t really critique this game too much as its too short and he simply hits a strong timing. He plays extremely confidently this game and his build wins it for him.
G2 yang vs asgchobo cloud kingdom

At 4:30 after staring at his scv for a few seconds he beautifully times his scv to go to the side and attempt to enter yangs base completely bypassing the stalker that proceeds to exit through the front to the tower. Could certainly be a coincidence.
7:50ish
Finishes his wall perfectly in time for yangs offensive 3 gate pressure, Suss but still perfectly ok.
9:50ish Accuracy of rallies for finding both pylons is extremely suspect. He even neglects to scout the entire area fully. Raises my eyebrows
12:04 very suspect glance through fog of war, then proceeds directly to the 3rd of yangs
Note: (This guy really doesn’t like to keep watch towers)
Other than that, relative low key and normal game progresses and he proceeds to win comfortably.


Tvt game 1 vs myself korhal compound
Neither of us scout, quite normal. He does not attempt
He does not scan… quite abnormal.
6:40 + He sends his banshee towards the main. From my view I am positioning marines in attempt to be prepared for any drop or banshee shenanigans. He immediately however changes decision and decides to go for a runaround attacking from a rather obscure angle. I’d say this attack was quite brave.
The way he attacks my base is quite pre-determined… he could simply be assuming I have a expansion however. He is playing incredibly blind nonetheless.

10:15 that is some sick turret timing, well positioned too!
Still no towers and very little scouting by 13 minutes.
The rest of the game proceeds fairly normally. Only other evidence is his rather suspect and confident unit movements as well as complete lack of tower grabbing which are prevalent throughout all his games.

Tvt game 2 vs myself on antiga shipyard
Chobo’s choice of build certainly confuses me this game. It is incredibly safe and definitely hard counters what I am attempting to do. (Raven vs first gas first cloak banshee) and is otherwise quite an uncommon build.

12 minutes very surprised at how he is confident to sit unsieged.
13:25 amazing scan directly on top of my army at the xel’naga tower. (EYEBROWS RAISED)
The game from here ends quite abruptly.

Rossi: I may appear to be nit-picking, but after looking at other games I feel these are the points where he has slipped up in his attempts to hide his rather concealed map hacks.

replay pack : http://www.mediafire.com/?krq49m2r9mlgdx4

Quick Comments

	iM MaFia:	ez game huh
	dippa:	tireless sir appreciated efforts your are
	Champi:	100% maphacker, he's always been a shadey player but this evidence is concrete
	nGenLight:	First person witness of all the effort in producing this summary
	SanG:	collectively, this does seem suspicious >.<
	Satu:	You've put a lot of effort into this, seems legit
	x5.Revenant:	Pretty sure he production hacks after watching the replay+reading analysis

[MrToast]

Originally Posted by NvRossi

When multiple people already think someone hacks based off their online experiences with someone (not too common in my circle) as well as his lack of LAN qualifications based off references from
Xavi: “ loses to nobodies at perth LANs”
Yang: “[2:26:57 AM] yang: he barely plays and when he shows up to lan he loses, then plays in the masters cup after weeks of not playing and has perfect decision making? seems suss”

A discussion between us followed by the analysis of some his replays we all came to the same agreement. Here is our evidence. He is damned in our eyes already but we will present our evidence for you to make your own judgements. If you’re going to respond to this please do so objectively and having actually watched all the games in order to make an educated decision. This level of analysis is necessary as this is extremely serious in our eyes.


I’ll be analysing his tvps vs Yang and tvts vs myself from the previous masters cup ( a series in which a TA member notified me he was listed as a spectator in the streams observers)

Mafia is analysing his tvz’s vs Enderr and Targa is analysing his tvz’s vs Mafia. These are the only reps we have looked at so far.

Targa's Analysis

Hacker analysis by TargA, Mafia vs asgchobo series.


Mafia vs asgchobo Shakuras game:


link: http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1257

5:05 stares a long time at the overlord that spots the proxy raxes

knows that he has to commit, if not it will look too obvious.
Sees a glimpse of the overlord on his screen at4:57-4:58

6:12 sees 2 spines and 2 queens, pulls back everything

we had a discussion with terrans and zergs, if you see 2 spines and 2 queens you still commit cause this usually means the zerg has no units, and 20 scvs 14 marines kills queens without energy and spines really fast. At this point Mafia was pumping out lings and had speed almost finished. Chobo did not see the lings.
The point isnt what other terrans would do if they have time to think about it it is about what Kice has done in that split decision. You cannot fault a player for making a decision I feel lots os terrans would have made having seen the overlord that saw his prosy barracks

7:05 kinda suspect that he keeps calm and and doesnt raise his supply depots when the ling counter attack is coming. Imo, he knows exactly how many lings are coming. He even keeps one of his raxes lifted, when in reality a ton of lings and banelings could be coming and that would mean game over.

You can see the silloutte of his barracks trying to land however the lings run under it stopping it from landing. He didn't not land the barracks on purpose. 7:09 Actively selects the supply depot and tries to raise it however by the time this happens there are lings standing on top of it.

He also lands the 3rd rax in his wall as soon as he is done microing

11:50 takes the 6o clock expand, cause he knows that mafia is making infestors, chobo has 2 engineering bays but no turrets, still havent scanned or scouted mafias base.

Chobo was behind and knew he would have to take a secret base to try and come back as would most terrans who were in this position. Also it is not completely uncommon to forgo turrets and assume infestor ling play as many MANY terrans even at the code S level do.

12:50 lifts up his wall, makes reactors, and takes the 4th. He has no idea what Mafia is doing ( this is also the timing where a ling bling muta attack would happen) , chobo has no tanks and is sitting calm with his marines.

Again not uncommom to assume ling infestor play. Chobo only lifts his buildings because he is getting ready to secure his 4th base and stands in a super defensive position WITH TANKS on the high ground

He also moves his marines down, still no map control/ vision.

14:00 Was gonna send 2 drop ships to mafias main,but knows that mafia has that covered with overlords, he sends them to mafias 5th that was about to be made, he sends the drop so mafias overlord doesnt see it.

A bit Suss however i believe we all have made a decision then made a 180 degree turn in favour of a better decision

15:10 mafias great spire is building, chobo ( still has no map vision or knows what mafia is doing) scans mafias main, and then his natural. Right after he drops 3 starports. Imo he does this so it doesnt look suspect.

As I am sure you know 15 minute is way way way enough time for a hive to be done and it is standard for terrans to scan from 13-16 minutes to see a hive. Chobo scans the main then the natural. Not much suss here as I think most terrans would agree

16:45 stims a bunch of units to avoid mafia burrowing his ling at the 5th base. Makes a turret too to avoid burrowed infestors.

I have absolutely zero idea how this is suss. Chobo SAW the ling attacking his scv and stimmed a few units to kill it. Again why is this suss?

18:20 hits the money scan right on top of all of mafias unit and spines(3rd time he scanned this game)

I have always believed it is usual to scan the that position since that a majority of the time is where zerg rally their army. I have seem many many terrans scan in that position.

19:10 chobo has a sensor tower, mafia backs, chobo follows the units in the fog, moves the vikings to kill the broods and then scans. (thats not how its supposed to be done)

Completely false. Chobo spreads his vikings take a small portion of his vikings and can see in the sensor tower the slow slow bls moving back after the lings and infestors. Before he is in range of the broodlords he scans and sees them on thier own and then commits.

from 19:30 – 20:30 he has no map control even though he could easily claim it with marines (in theory) then he drops two scans sees everything.

Chobo doesnt see units in his sensor tower range scans just out side it sees nothing then scans behind that to see the whole army. I personally do not see anything suspect about this scanning pattern and would be extremely surprised if you did.

21:20 repositions his units when mafia is moving out, doesnt spread his units at all even though there are red dots on the mini map from the sensor towers ( I would be ******* afraid of the infestors)

Sees that the infestors are no where even CLOSE to his army and re positioned. Also this is hardly a hacking accusation it is just what YOU would have done in a certain situation compared to what chobo did in that situation

after the big fight, keeps making vikings ( normally a zerg would tech switch to ultras, mafia had a large bank and making more broods/ corruptors is not normal)

Because tech swapping to ultras against battle cruisers would work

25:00 hits money scan

The units are actually INSIDE the range of the sensor tower
rest of the game: lots of money scans, hes always controlling his units when mafia attacks. (When I watch the best terrans in the world play they are almost never controlling their units when zerg attacks, always a delay in reaction, this guys reacts before mafia attacks)


replay pack : http://www.mediafire.com/?krq49m2r9mlgdx4

I watched through this replay 5 times 3 times from Chobos point of view and see nothing wrong. Am I wrong on any of the above analysis?

Edit: Its obvious that Rossi and targa didn't take the proper time and look through each players POV before making such heavy accusations

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:
	xGKingdelete:	perspectives from more people can't hurt
	Zealo:	i really want to see targa beat BCs with ultras
	inFeZa:	the WHOLE day has been filled with discussion about the issue on skype chat.
	Dox:	i enjoy the colour purple
	CHoBo(kice):	ty sir

[TargA]

Originally Posted by MrToast

I watched through this replay 5 times 3 times from Chobos point of view and see nothing wrong. Am I wrong on any of the above analysis?

Edit: Its obvious that Rossi and targa didn't take the proper time and look through each players POV before making such heavy accusations

i watched evey game twice, from his pov, unpausing everytime he made a move to see what mafia was up to.

And since your from perth I assume your his friend, so please stop accusing us for a witch hunt when we spent a lot of time discussing and doing work.

Quick Comments

	iM SundeR:	maybe mrtoast is the elusive 11/10 facebook gf!?!?!?!?
	Snx.FigJig:	*witty comment for sunder*

[MrToast]

Originally Posted by TargA

i watched evey game twice, from his pov, unpausing everytime he made a move to see what mafia was up to.

And since your from perth I assume your his friend, so please stop accusing us for a witch hunt when we spent a lot of time discussing and doing work.

I would enjoy to have you refute any of the points I made in the above analysis.

[iM MaFia]

When I lost 3-0 to Chobo in Masters Cup final, yang asked me afterwards and said what do you think about Chobo... my reply and first instinct was, this guy has the best decision making and tactics ive seen from a SEA terran and probably from anyone ive played...

But a few days later ppl were saying he is suss and it led to us re watching some of the replays and when Rossi pointed out one thing to me ( When chobo backed off his scvs when he was commiting to an allin with only seeing 2 queens and 2 spines ) I definately thought it was very weird and was almost certain during that game he saw my lings.

So I went to watch the replay myself and indeed he didn't see the lings and that led to make me believe he hacked, so I went to download enderr vs chobos replay and little did I know I found so much evidence.

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:	Repping Mafia for his absolute boss analysis above
	Zepph:

[TargA]

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=342248 Im guessing its something similar to this with a production tab hack.

[nGenLight]

Is this guy YaMaMa?

This sh*t be getting serious yo.

Quick Comments

AxSGRiM:

yes

[Peleus]

Thanks for putting the effort into reviewing the material. I urge people to reach their own conclusions, and will check it out when I get home and have time to look. The evidence presented looks pretty bad (for Chobo) though.

[inFeZa]

Epic analysis post Rossi, Mafia & Targa. We need more thinkers like you guys in this community.

[iM tgun]

Even though I agree that Chobo has been very sus for a long time, please guys, watch the replays before you make your decision to agree with the players above.

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:	This right here
	xGKingdelete:
	CHoBo(kice):	I still respect you!

[SLCN.Kez]

Grab ya torch and pitchforks boys!