[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by TCPDeathWing

I think it is very very very sad to see that some of these hackers are actually in clans! I am also very disappointed in craftkings especially since I was there when he first joined the clan and welcomed him so openly. shame guys... shame

You can never be sure who is a hacker.. there could be a hacker in your clan, or there could be one in mine. These are just the ones who are caught.

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iVnStinger:

Very very true

[Fourby]

I have obtained a replay of myself (WillChen) playing against the friend who hacked on my account (he is using iVnFictioN because he does not want his account to be known)
http://www.sc2sea.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=705
hope this clears everything up

Wait, he doesnt want his account to be known??? does this mean this replay was made AFTER? the accusations? how the f*** would this be valid? hurp durp "Just dont play how you usually play so we can send this replay kk?"

Everything seems so shady and dodgey from this guy. like the whole 'not having enough time' to upload the rest of the replays. you can upload 3 but dont have time to upload 2 more 50kb files? rlly?

btw lzq (not izq ), doesnt the images from sc2 gears show that the account player 'willchen' is more similar? thats what it looks like to me :S

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wTlzq:

+1 for that L :D

[wTlzq]

Originally Posted by Fourby

btw lzq (not izq ), doesnt the images from sc2 gears show that the account player 'willchen' is more similar? thats what it looks like to me :S

In that 3rd image, Fiction stated that he let his "friend" play on his account, thats why the names are switched. SC2GEARS matches the names in the replay to the graph automatically. So in the 3rd image, iVnFiction is using the account "WillChen"

edit: @Fourby, we requested that Fiction play against his fren as he claimed that his friend used his account to hack. But from the SC2Gears image its clear that his fren DO NOT use the same hotkey as the hacker.

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by lzq

In that 3rd image, Fiction stated that he let his "friend" play on his account, thats why the names are switched. SC2GEARS matches the names in the replay to the graph automatically. So in the 3rd image, iVnFiction is using the account "WillChen"

edit: @Fourby, we requested that Fiction play against his fren as he claimed that his friend used his account to hack. But from the SC2Gears image its clear that his fren DO NOT use the same hotkey as the hacker.

To add to this, the last image shows that WillChen has the same hotkey usage as the hacker. His friend, who was playing on iVnFictioN clearly does not. Congrats on outing yourself as the hacker? I guess?

[iVnStinger]

@Frosty
No, no they were not necessary. Someone hacked, they made a mistake. Does not give you the right to call them douchebags especially since you were not the one who got hacked. I say we all just relax and go with what I propsed. There is no need for rage. Heck, even the person who got hacked in the game himself was very clam and nice about it.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by iVnStinger

@Frosty
No, no they were not necessary. Someone hacked, they made a mistake. Does not give you the right to call them douchebags especially since you were not the one who got hacked. I say we all just relax and go with what I propsed. There is no need for rage. Heck, even the person who got hacked in the game himself was very clam and nice about it.

You're a douchebag too for having this stupid opinion. Your clanmate hacked. Brought your entire clan into disrepute and you're sitting here arguing as to whether I should have called him a douchebag or not...

Get your priorities right. He lied to you too.

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iVnStinger:

No sir, you have no real way of proving that. That is why we are discussing it right now. It could've been his friend. And one member on my team could've possibly hacked, does not mean my whole team is bad.

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Your clanmate hacked. Brought your entire clan into disrepute

I fail to see how that makes any sense at all?

iVn is a new team, with new players... regardless of that fact how were iVn meant to know he/whoever hacked in the first place?

Any player could potentially 'hack'... I don't see how incidents like this should effect the reputation of teams, especially new ones.

[iVnStinger]

Originally Posted by ggMufasa

I fail to see how that makes any sense at all?

iVn is a new team, with new players... regardless of that fact how were iVn meant to know he/whoever hacked in the first place?

Any player could potentially 'hack'... I don't see how incidents like this should effect the reputation of teams, especially new ones.

I agree completely. One person hacking does not mean the whole team is bad. I just feel like everyone is more interested in pointing fingers and calling people names rather than discussing the situation. Imagine how it feels for me to know that one of my players hacked, or his friends did and now people think that my whole team is crap just because of one members mistake. It is unfair. When EvetS hacked, he admitted it and it was on him, not FaDe. The same should apply for us.

All I ask is that we don't just try to look of ways to prove him guilty, but help try to prove him innocent as well if possible. If I were in his position, that is all I would want.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by ggMufasa

I fail to see how that makes any sense at all?

iVn is a new team, with new players... regardless of that fact how were iVn meant to know he/whoever hacked in the first place?

Any player could potentially 'hack'... I don't see how incidents like this should effect the reputation of teams, especially new ones.

Originally Posted by iVnStinger

I agree completely. One person hacking does not mean the whole team is bad. I just feel like everyone is more interested in pointing fingers and calling people names rather than discussing the situation. Imagine how it feels for me to know that one of my players hacked, or his friends did and now people think that my whole team is crap just because of one members mistake. It is unfair. When EvetS hacked, he admitted it and it was on him, not FaDe. The same should apply for us.

All I ask is that we don't just try to look of ways to prove him guilty, but help try to prove him innocent as well if possible. If I were in his position, that is all I would want.

Nothing that you've said has changed the fact that a member of your clan has hacked. Whether you believe it or not, his story is full of holes. Anyone with any common sense at all can see it's a horrid last ditch effort to clear his name. Gutless. herp derp it was a friend, I went out and he played on my account and went out of his way to not make it blatantly obvious he was hacking...

You people should be more angry than anyone else... He wore your clan tag while he did it...

The simple fact of the matter is that his actions brought a bad name to your entire clan. Whether you think thats fair or not, it's still the truth. If I play someone from iVn I'll be damned sure to watch the replay thoroughly...

edit: The people who run this sight have to maintain a certain amount of integrity when dealing with this sort of thing... In order to maintain that integrity they have to be as impartial as they can, only taking action on things which are proven beyond doubt. I personally think this has been proven beyond doubt but it's not my job to maintain a community and hand out punishments etc.

Every other person is completely entitled to their opinion and how they act on the matter is 100% up to them. I am a member of Clan FaDe and when Evets hacked I was livid. The clan and the SC2Sea community handed out the punishments and that was that... I personally will still not treat Evets any differently from any other hacker. The most that I will do is not openly berate him in a community channel, because of the respect I have for the other people in the clan. What he did HAS cheapened the FaDe clan name. What your member has done HAS cheapened the iVn name.

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	Sola:	It only brings a bad name to the clan if outside ppl are dumb enough to base the actions of 1 person to the whole clan.
	mGGDaedalus:	iVN are being very open to the discovery they may have a hacker among them. Try to be reasonable.
	EveMassacrisM:	This is how hackers should always be treated. Hacking is pathetic and i wont count any of those my friends/

[Sc2Clare]

i am so diappointed in willchen i am so ashamed that he or his friend has done this sort of thing. hacking is always a no-no. will have to wait for the verdict and our manager, Domo to see what happens. if he is really confirmed to be hacking, i sincerely apologize to you guys on his behalf TT

[Sola]

Even though I haven't called him anything, I don't need to be personally hacked by a person in order to express my opinion on what I think of him.

His actions gave anyone who plays fairly the right to do so.

[iVnStinger]

Originally Posted by Frosty85

Even though I haven't called him anything, I don't need to be personally hacked by a person in order to express my opinion on what I think of him.

His actions gave anyone who plays fairly the right to do so.

No no I didn't mean you said anything, I'm just saying it wouldn't be fair for anyone to publicly say bad things about another person for something they have done to another person.

[Sola]

Originally Posted by iVnStinger

No no I didn't mean you said anything, I'm just saying it wouldn't be fair for anyone to publicly say bad things about another person for something they have done to another person.

I know you didn't mean I said anything.
We just disagree on the second point, that's all.

[Nemo]

Well Rockstar, stop insulting people please, especially the guys that did not map hack. It doesn't help to anything and it lessen the dignity of this serious subject.

I watched the 3 replays. The 2 ZvZ are not interesting. But I quite recognize the same pastern of nearly no scouting at all while you drone in the ZvP.

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iVnStinger:

[AxSGRiM]

I'm masters and I only hotkey my nexi.

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FlashVeno:

so do i !

[iVnStinger]

Originally Posted by nRvGRiM

I'm masters and I only hotkey my nexi.

Just like Adam! Except he hotkeys his units also. *sigh*,,, Protoss....

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	Nemo:	Haha, I was about to make the same joke
	asdfSchnitzel:	I use all my hotkeys, from 1-0, and i actually use them! And im plat! 0.0

[iVnStinger]

And that sir is what makes you a horrible friend. Your friend made a mistake and instead of helping him, you probably called him names. I don't care if FictioN hacked or not, he is my member and my responsibility, no where so far have I said "LOL IT WASN'T HIM PLEASE FCK OFF". No I've been looking into it and agreeing with whoever I can. He is a teammate and a friend to me, I don't care what he did, I will help him if he needs it. Yes if he did indeed hack, he is going to be punished.

Yes I am angry that this happend, and I do know it now means that iVn is going to have a bad name for a while, but it doesn't mean I need to take insults like that from people like you. You haven't been hacked, nor has anyone said anything bad to you. So please back off.

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	Rockstar:	I have no intention of ever helping a known hacker.
	TCPKiaSu:
	x5.Revenant:	Counter-rep for fighting for your friends.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by iVnStinger

And that sir is what makes you a horrible friend. Your friend made a mistake and instead of helping him, you probably called him names. I don't care if FictioN hacked or not, he is my member and my responsibility, no where so far have I said "LOL IT WASN'T HIM PLEASE FCK OFF". No I've been looking into it and agreeing with whoever I can. He is a teammate and a friend to me, I don't care what he did, I will help him if he needs it. Yes if he did indeed hack, he is going to be punished.

Yes I am angry that this happend, and I do know it now means that iVn is going to have a bad name for a while, but it doesn't mean I need to take insults like that from people like you. You haven't been hacked, nor has anyone said anything bad to you. So please back off.

Actually no it makes HIM a bad friend. H I M ! ! ! What don't you understand about this? There's only one person breaking the rules here...

Your FRIEND decided to wear YOUR CLANS TAG and then hack WHILE REPRESENTING YOU AND YOUR CLAN. He then made some lame ass excuse and LIED TO YOUR FACE. To this point he STILL HASN'T ADMITTED HE HACKED.

Some friend you have there.

[Sola]

oO I think this is starting to derail. Maybe just wait for moderators/admin before adding anything else.

Just an idea

[iVnStinger]

Originally Posted by Frosty85

oO I think this is starting to derail. Maybe just wait for moderators/admin before adding anything else.

Just an idea

I agree with you, I'm sorry but it just makes me get upset that people are thinking of us that way