[Sc2Clare]

agreed with u ther izq

[WillChen]

I have obtained a replay of myself (WillChen) playing against the friend who hacked on my account (he is using iVnFictioN because he does not want his account to be known)
http://www.sc2sea.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=705
hope this clears everything up

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by WillChen

I have obtained a replay of myself (WillChen) playing against the friend who hacked on my account (he is using iVnFictioN because he does not want his account to be known)
http://www.sc2sea.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=705
hope this clears everything up

The whole point of him playing you was for him to do it on his account so we could be sure that it is him playing you. If he is using FictioN's account then what is to stop FictioN actually being the one playing? Post a replay of you playing him, with him on his account. That's all we want, the more you dodge around it the more we become convinced that you are the hacker and not this "friend".

[WillChen]

I am FictioN, iVn members can all confirm this. The reason I play on a separate account now is because i wanted to have an account with the clantag in it and I did not have any name changes on my original WillChen

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iVnStinger:

This is true.

[FaDeBadger]

My point still stands, even moreso if it's your account. It could be absolutely anyone playing on it.

[WillChen]

He does not want his account to be known as a hacker, hence played the game with me so I could get the replay on the condition that he use FictioN so that noone could see his account. I do not understand why it being my account makes it even more suspicious could you please clarify?

[FaDeBadger]

Forget it, you're just digging yourself a hole in my eyes. I don't believe a word you say. Luckily for you it's not my decision. GL.

[iVnStinger]

Originally Posted by FaDeBadger

Forget it, you're just digging yourself a hole in my eyes. I don't believe a word you say. Luckily for you it's not my decision. GL.

And this is what I think is uncalled for. You didn't need to say it.

[iVnStinger]

Badger that is uncalled for. The reason they wanted him and his friend in the same game is so that they cant analyze both play styles. If you aren't going to provide any evidence or say anything helpful, please stay out of it. Now I shall wait for Apth or Izq to review the replay.

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	FaDeBadger:	Missed my point completely
	Sola:	Badger is trying to help out your situation, not hinder it.
	RicocheT:	Dug yourself in a bit of a hole there...

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by iVnStinger

Badger that is uncalled for. The reason they wanted him and his friend in the same game is so that they cant analyze both play styles. If you aren't going to provide any evidence or say anything helpful, please stay out of it. Now I shall wait for Apth or Izq to review the replay.

You missed my point. My point is, if he is willing to lend his account out then it could be absolutely anybody playing on it. He could grab some random person from the ladder for all we know, doesn't matter who as long as their playstyle/hotkeys etc are different from his. If he wants to clear his name, play on his own account. Simple.

[iVnStinger]

He owns both accounts. His friend only has access to iVnFictioN. So you saying, you want the person who is probably the hacker to have access to both accounts?

[FaDeBadger]

WillChen owns both accounts I know. I'm saying his friend needs to play on his own account. Not iVnFictioN. We already know that WillChen will share it out with friends. He could just as easily share it with anyone.

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RicocheT:

This. Logic!!!

[Sc2Clare]

sorry stinger, but i guess i have to go with badger with this one
i cant be biased

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FaDeBadger:

Sad but true. I've been there.

[iVnStinger]

Oh! Sorry you got me completely confused. I thought you meant FictioN needed to play FicitoN. Ok than this makes sense. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Bash]

I dont get it...
he lets a mate play on his account, then the mate hacks.
Sure, the mate is stupid. "I should've known better than to leave my account on (he has previously hacked in CS)"
Aaaand then LETS the friend back on his account to play against him, to prove innocence?
You know the guy hacks, i woudlnt let him near my account at all, nor would i help him conceal his own player ID By lending him an account, especially not MY account, to prove that I dont hack.

idk, i havent seen the replay. but that it doesnt make any sense to me.

[iVnStinger]

Ok I'm sorry for misunderstanding you badger as I have a tendency not to read and understand completely but just post blindly haha, but I do feel that is uncalled for.

Now we put that behind us and I would like to propose this:

We know for sure someone was hacking. If it really was his friend, let him come forward with his account and a post on this website so action can be taken.

If he refuses to, then WillChen will have to take responsibility and will be punished by the admins as they see fit.

Does that sound fair?

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Bash:

Sounds fair to meeeeeeeee,

[Nemo]

Whatever WillChen, your account has been proven to be used with map hack and you admit it. If we don't know who your friend is, basically you're going to face the whole consequences of Map Hacking yourself.

Your friend Map Hacked with your account, get caught and don't come here and admit ? And he's still your friend ? I can understand you don't want to denounce him anyway (personally I might do depending of the guy in question), but if you don't, just take all the blame and the consequences it comes with it.To have things other way we must identify that guy by other means and 100% prove it's him and not you. And that's quite impossible to do. So don't ask people to put more time into this, they don't have to. They only do it if they want to and if they beleive you might still say the truth. Personally, at that point I don't, sorry.

Edit: So, agreeing with the above.

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	FaDeBadger:	That's what I've been trying to get through to him
	Bash:

[wTlzq]

SC2 Gears Hotkeys tracker: Displays the hotkeys usage of players over time. By hotkeys in this case we mean unit grouping: assigning a group of units (or buildings) to a number, or to press that number to select the group.

(imagine it as a graph where the x axis is the time, the number on the graph represents the control group number pressed at Time X)

The images are taken from Sc2gears which tracks the control group numbering and usage.
1st image)Hacker's unit grouping stats From the hacking replay
2nd image) stats of unit grouping and usage in a ladder replay that iVnFiction submitted
3rd image )The hotkey and control group stats of Fiction and his Friend in the *evidence* replay. ( note his "friend" is playing under iVnFiction nick in this replay)

basically it shows that the hacker has the same control grouping habits of iVnFiction




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im poor in english, so anyone that could interpret this kindly help TT

Edit: unless Fiction can come up with another extra-ordinary excuse, i guess hes fked

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Nemo:

Thanks for taking time to make this

[crAzerk]

@Izq maybe some interpretation of that would help. I personally dont' use sc2gears so I've no idea what I'm looking at.

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wTlzq:

done :) hopefully u understand my poor english

[TCPKiaSu]

I think it is very very very sad to see that some of these hackers are actually in clans! I am also very disappointed in craftkings especially since I was there when he first joined the clan and welcomed him so openly. shame guys... shame

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mGGDaedalus:

How do you know they knew he was a hacker when he joined?