[nirvAnA]

I've talked to both tgun and glade, and they have both agreed to play in the SEA CL #2 as "mercs" for the two least strong "Tier 1" teams.

The 8 tier 1 teams that will be invited are xGking +nGen, TArcMSI , SQLT, inFi, aLt, Mski, MiTH, SPR.

Why are they playing as "mercs"?

First of all they are probably the two most famous SEA players, but they have never belonged to a SEA clan or team. To have them suddenly join a Team just for SEACL would not be right, but exculding them from the league wouldn't be right either. The fairest way imo to include both of them would be to assign them to the two "least strong" teams in Tier 1.

This solves the problem of one powerhouse team "picking up" BOTH these players as mercs for their OWN team just for the SEACL. Meaning in that scenario they are essentially "mercs" as they are just playing for this season of SEACL but they are making one team incredibly strong and dominant. Yes they actually received offers already!

I feel this way presents a much more level playing field, so the skill is more evenly distributed and theres more competition throughout the league. Its now hard to say "The Big 4" will get all the top spots again. This will also produce more high quality matches since they will probably be playing in the Ace Matches, so you get to see the likes of GLaDe & Tgun every week while still seeing top players from other teams. The two teams I have determined as the "least strong teams" are Mineski & MiTH.

GLaDe will join MiTh as a mercenary for Season 1
tgun will join Mineski as a mercenary for Season 1

The players have a condition like a fair % of any prize money won from SEACL to go to them. I will now talk to the teams to confirm, but I'm sure both would love these additions to the team as it is a very reasonable request.

[ToRSpartaz]

Glade to ToR? ;D Hes always in our channel so why not ^^

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ToRDjvillian:

+1

[aLtMrFool]

Good but I don't think it should be made a permanent solution if SEACL continues to be run beyond season 1! Given the short notice before SEACL makes its debut, it seems to be a solution for now!

[NvPinder]

This makes 0 sense to me....

Why not make glade and tgun + any other masters/GM stragglers make a team together? Glade + tgun on a team alone would make them a fair force, boosting lower ranked lineups is a slap in the face to the lower ranked teams(of which i wouldnt really consider mineski to be to be honest) and just makes the competition not really mean anything (ie: Well yeah mith won but they wouldnt of won if they didn't have glade playing) etc.

At the end of the day its suppose to be "Who is the best clan in SEA", in my eyes if either of those 2 teams win now it completely takes away from any legitimacy of the tournament.

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	deL:
	Champi:
	MooZfY:
	TAScarecrow:
	TADivinity:	Posting at 4:20am after this blew up....Still agree 110%
	FvRsolis:

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by aLtMrFool

Good but I don't think it should be made a permanent solution if SEACL continues to be run beyond season 1! Given the short notice before SEACL makes its debut, it seems to be a solution for now!

It's season 2, and it starts in one month

[NDG.Stitch]

Absolutely agree with Pinder. It takes out the point of the tournament if you add in players like Glade or tgun into a team's lineup. Glade or tgun will barely represent that team in any fashion, unless they have been practicing with that team for a long time (which I don't believe they have with either Mineski or MiTH). And I also don't see how you'd even figure out the 2 weakest teams off of that list of teams, it's a bit opinionated.... :/

I'd be looking o other solutions, i'd love to see both Glade and tgun play, but putting them in Mineski and MiTH just isn't the way.

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	deL:
	TAScarecrow:

[Eddie]

I agree with Pinder, seems a little cheap to me them already joining quality established teams.

they have never belonged to a SEA clan or team

To me this speaks volumes. Both awesome guys, but this event should be about and for those who play in SEA clans with their team mates.

I like the idea of them forming a merc/independent team, but then could be a but stacked/unfair to the real clans.

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deL:

[Benji]

Can we have them? If the format requires 5 players we need the extras

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deL:

you get... NOTHING

[mOOnGLaDe]

well if its a problem with alot of people im happy to revive team herocraft and invite tgun as a member i dont mind i just wanted to play, and joining a lesser team seemed fair rather than going to xgking or something ;P

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	:	Go Team Herocraft!
	deL:	I really hate the clanless team ideas :(
	breadfan:	herocraft ^.^

[TAEdgE]

hahaha herocraft

[mOOnGLaDe]

sounds like edge wants to join it too! :P:P

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by mOOnGLaDe

sounds like edge wants to join it too! :P:P

I'd totally be in for herocraft

[mGGDrGooSe]

In any tournament I think the question has to be asked, in which order do we cater to the fans/players and teams/clans. Given that this is a clan league I would assume the clans would be high in that order, and therefore I am most interested in their opinions. As a fan, I just want any way I can get to watch our superstars play on a regular basis. Having marque players can really only serve to strengthen the quality of play I feel. In order to be the best, you have to play the best. Leaving out Glade and Tgun can only hurt the league overall, IMO. I don't actually care what the solution is, so long as it ends up giving the highest quality matches possible.

[TargA]

mineski just won this league

[ROOT`iaguz]

I disagree TargA, Moonglade is definitely a very strong player but he's not indestructible, I think it's pretty fair.

Oh wait, I think he means Azz. Hmmm, yea we're boned for sure.

[TargA]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

I disagree TargA, Moonglade is definitely a very strong player but he's not indestructible, I think it's pretty fair.

Oh wait, I think he means Azz. Hmmm, yea we're boned for sure.

moonglade is in mith you silly bastard.

Mineski now has Australias best player, the worlds best player, the best fillipino and the best player in SEA.

Pretty sick!

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TAEdgE:

[ROOT`iaguz]

Mother of God...

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by TargA

moonglade is in mith you silly bastard.

Mineski now has Australias best player, the worlds best player, the best fillipino and the best player in SEA.

Pretty sick!

Which is which?

[nirvAnA]

First of all, this is not final that's why there's a poll. this was a solution suggested to so that tgun and glade could play in the league. if a better solution comes up i will use it. having a "clanless" or "mercenary" team will mean 1 less team gets in, which has no sponsors and its different from what we are trying to accomplish, getting sponsored teams /players air time and keeping sponsors happy, or getting other strong teams like SPR attention so they can get a good sponsor.

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

This makes 0 sense to me....

Why not make glade and tgun + any other masters/GM stragglers make a team together? Glade + tgun on a team alone would make them a fair force, boosting lower ranked lineups is a slap in the face to the lower ranked teams(of which i wouldnt really consider mineski to be to be honest) and just makes the competition not really mean anything (ie: Well yeah mith won but they wouldnt of won if they didn't have glade playing) etc.

At the end of the day its suppose to be "Who is the best clan in SEA", in my eyes if either of those 2 teams win now it completely takes away from any legitimacy of the tournament.

firstly its to evenly distribute the skill to avoid one superteam that would dominate the others and lower the competitiveness of the whole competition. so instead of tgun/glade/filthy on one team or they both joining an already strong team like xgking, they are split up, still play in the league, and help boost the other "less strong" teams.

i dont see how its a slap on the face, its subjective yes, but hey i wont mind calling aLt the weakest team if we got glade/tgun playing for us and im sure any team wouldnt care if they are considered the "weakest" if that meant glade or tgun joined their team. bearing in mind just 4 players are needed each week, this is how i would roughly "seed" the teams at the moment. i didnt just blindly throw a darts at a wall to determine the "least strong" teams, i thoguht about it based on the 4 best players.if needed i can take votes from the players listed below to get a less subjective determination of the two "least strong" teams but i am pretty certain we will end up with the same result.

Strongest teams

• xGking - mafia, jazbas, iaguz, light
• inFi - targa, iceiceice, rev, Kim jong roz
• SPR - soulman, master, ist, pokerface
• TArcMSI - rossi, deth, edge, pinder

"Not so strong" teams

• aLt - pig, jimdiddy, yoonyj, han
• SQLT - ninja, hut, sensei, yaaaang
• Mski - enderr, jabito, azz, pobbes
• MiTH - redarchon, maya, jump, indy

[NvPinder]

I think (although i could be totally wrong), be we would be joining as TA not arcmsi.