[VB_WhiplashJC]

The issue with this tournament seems to be a clash of two things - fairness and giving people a game.

This is my understanding of how it's been done:

HT A and HT B have been removed for round 6 onwards: HT A with 1 win, 1 loss and 3 walkovers, HT B with one loss and 4 walkovers. After this their opponents have been matched together, resulting in extra games. This means that teams that got walkovers against (or beat) HT are at an advantage.

TCP has been swapped in for IPL... again, this isn't fair because you're playing a different team. (edit: on closer inspection it looks like these games don't count?)

Walkovers have been given as 0-0, so you're worst off if your team shows up, plays and loses than if you don't show up.

As Eras keeps saying, this was announced in the week 6 thread

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

HT have given no response on both teams not showing multiple times with no contact. Their opponents will be matched together for the remaining rounds so reliable people actually get to play some games!
TCP (Team Carbon Pressure) have put together a team to give the opponents of IGL, who pulled out of the league last week, something to practice on.

(My emphasis)

This gave me (and others) the impression that these were practice games - the result didn't matter, which is why it wasn't brought up at the time. it looks like BtD and IWN didn't play that week anyway.

Then, in round 7 I asked;

I interpreted that as meaning we might play the team the other HT team was playing in a friendly.

Do we play fade again in week 9 then? If we do then is AsG going to play IGL(now TPC again? Do either of games count?

Which is a couple of pretty clear yes/no questions, to which you just quoted the above at me. You never said that the games counted, and they shouldn't. Why would some teams play twice in a round robin? That's no longer a round robin.

The idea of practice games for the two teams getting walkovers is good, but playing them against each other breaks the tournament.

Round 8 I have no idea what happened, because there isn't a thread that I can see. Results haven't been updated on the challonge page.

Here is how it should have been dealt with (and how it should be dealt with next season):

• If a team is kicked, then all their games past and future become walkover wins for the opposition. Practice games can be organised within the clans with byes if they want.
• The main thread needs to be continuously updated by the admins with results for the week. There needs to be a deadline for this. This will also keep the thread bumped, so that it's not a bitch to find when we want to know the map pool.
• It's a problem that the admins are participants in the tournament, this should never happen.
• Clan lists need to be updated when clan captains post changes... I know at least us and FaDe aren't bothering to post any more.
• Make it 3 points for a win, 1 for a loss and 0 for not turning up. A walkover is 0:4.
• No result reported => mutual walkover at the end of the week.

Quick Comments

x5_Potter:

Glad you calmed down and posted a proper reply.

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by VB_WhiplashJC

The issue with this tournament seems to be a clash of two things - fairness and giving people a game.

This is my understanding of how it's been done:

HT A and HT B have been removed for round 6 onwards: HT A with 1 win, 1 loss and 3 walkovers, HT B with one loss and 4 walkovers. After this their opponents have been matched together, resulting in extra games. This means that teams that got walkovers against (or beat) HT are at an advantage.

TCP has been swapped in for IPL... again, this isn't fair because you're playing a different team. (edit: on closer inspection it looks like these games don't count?)

Walkovers have been given as 0-0, so you're worst off if your team shows up, plays and loses than if you don't show up.

As Eras keeps saying, this was announced in the week 6 thread


(My emphasis)

This gave me (and others) the impression that these were practice games - the result didn't matter, which is why it wasn't brought up at the time. it looks like BtD and IWN didn't play that week anyway.

Then, in round 7 I asked;


Which is a couple of pretty clear yes/no questions, to which you just quoted the above at me. You never said that the games counted, and they shouldn't. Why would some teams play twice in a round robin? That's no longer a round robin.

The idea of practice games for the two teams getting walkovers is good, but playing them against each other breaks the tournament.

Round 8 I have no idea what happened, because there isn't a thread that I can see. Results haven't been updated on the challonge page.

Here is how it should have been dealt with (and how it should be dealt with next season):

• If a team is kicked, then all their games past and future become walkover wins for the opposition. Practice games can be organised within the clans with byes if they want.
• The main thread needs to be continuously updated by the admins with results for the week. There needs to be a deadline for this. This will also keep the thread bumped, so that it's not a bitch to find when we want to know the map pool.
• It's a problem that the admins are participants in the tournament, this should never happen.
• Clan lists need to be updated when clan captains post changes... I know at least us and FaDe aren't bothering to post any more.
• Make it 3 points for a win, 1 for a loss and 0 for not turning up. A walkover is 0:4.
• No result reported => mutual walkover at the end of the week.

So many competitions like this (where you have x rounds) result in teams being matched twice. It's incredibly standard... I've never heard anyone complain about it anywhere else before.

But in any case, it does not change the final results at all. VB and FaDe finish 1-2, and crux-ToR and AsG finish 3-4.

I did not realise I had to make sure I was explicit about what officialy scheduled games counted, and which ones didn't.

Clan lists have been updated when captains post changes... as you said, you're not posting them, so I can't update them. Make sure to post them, so there's a record to change them. I have a million and one people messaging me every thursday about everything.

Walkovers are 0-0 because noone played any games. I've never seen a football game award a 5-0 win to one team in a walkover. And in the other leagues, there have been many complaints that 4-0 for a walkover is just silly, they are just too beneficial to teams getting them even though they didn't win any games.

Just my 2c. Feedback is good.