[Nobunaga]

Originally Posted by Bugalugs McScruffin

Halo Reach being better than both is also personal opinion, though I believe I could successfully argue that Reach is the only one with any chance of being a competitive game.

Console FPS are lolsworthy at best!

dedicated servers are valuable for more reasons than just mods. they make competitive gaming possible. unlike p2p servers, you can exercise a level of control over a dedicated server.

You will also never have to see the "Host Migration" screen again.

[Bugalugs McScruffin]

Originally Posted by dippa

if you can get internet in your country, then it's also possible to have dedicated servers in your country hosted by your ISP.

dippa, I think you missed Meatex's point, though he did go a bit overboard as well.

Meatex's issue is the fact that he can not play on dedicated servers because there are none close enough to make it worth it. Yes, it is possible for dedicated servers to be hosted by his ISP, but this is currently not the case. I'm not sure what the state of the FPS scene is in Korea, but if it isn't big enough then ISPs aren't going to bother. P2P gives Meatex the option to play the game at all because he doesn't have access to dedicated servers with any sort of acceptable ping.

Also, sure for hardcore and competitive gamers, you get more control on a dedicated server, but the game is more than adequately playable using P2P. If the game is less popular you are more likely to get lobbies with crappy ping, but on the whole it works.

Basically I think it falls into two camps. If you just want to play the game, P2P is fine. If you want to play the game competitively, then dedicated servers all the way.

Originally Posted by Nobunaga

Console FPS are lolsworthy at best!

I guess that shows you the state of the FPS genre when the two legitimate competitive FPSs are a console title (Reach) and a 7 year old game (CS: Source). Let me know if I'm missing any, but Reach and CS: Source are better than CoD or BF by default as competitive games because they require no grind to unlock everything.