[cRSenSei]

Enjoy the read.


Foreword: snake = Vortex manager
Paroxysm = same paroxysm you all know and love on here, and was appointed sc2 division manager of Vortex


vtx.DB Paroxysm: yo
vtx.DB Paroxysm: whats been going on?
VTX.DB snake: Not a lot.
VTX.DB snake: You?
vtx.DB Paroxysm: same here ai
VTX.DB snake: How's sc2?
vtx.DB Paroxysm: eh alright
vtx.DB Paroxysm: team has no ******* clue whats going on :/
VTX.DB snake: rofl
VTX.DB snake: as I said. Talk to oriiON, he's more engaged.
vtx.DB Paroxysm: .. you said you were going to talk to him about that LAN and getting money for the trips
VTX.DB snake: No, I didn't? o_O
vtx.DB Paroxysm: yeah you did haha
VTX.DB snake: Did I?
VTX.DB snake: Nope.
VTX.DB snake: lmao
vtx.DB Paroxysm: yeah
vtx.DB Paroxysm: about 1 week ago
VTX.DB snake: I said I would ask him about the jerseys for HuT
vtx.DB Paroxysm: i gave you the link, you said you'd talk to oriion about it.
VTX.DB snake: by November 20th.
vtx.DB Paroxysm: ...
VTX.DB snake: I remember that link
VTX.DB snake: I didn't say I would talk to Billy thoug.
VTX.DB snake: though*
vtx.DB Paroxysm: I clearly remember you saying that you would, because it was something that I questioned whether we could get funds to send a few of our players there
vtx.DB Paroxysm: I also asked about jerseys
vtx.DB Paroxysm: you said you would talk to oriion about them..
VTX.DB snake: Are you getting pissy?
vtx.DB Paroxysm: a little bit yes.. the fact that we cant organise shit within a team is pretty ridiculous
VTX.DB snake: I've kind of lost interest in the RTS divisions.
VTX.DB snake: Billy is more of the CFO
vtx.DB Paroxysm: especially when you say halfway through that you are contemplating switching divisions..
VTX.DB snake: He's more engaged with DB
vtx.DB Paroxysm: sorry 'ditching' divisions...
VTX.DB snake: LOL.
VTX.DB snake: I didn't say I would drop them half way through a contract.
vtx.DB Paroxysm: no
vtx.DB Paroxysm: but contemplating dropping them all together is still pretty stupid.
VTX.DB snake: Why?
vtx.DB Paroxysm: they could be trying to prove themselves with other teams rather than sitting around in a half assed team that is going to drop them in 2 and a half months..
VTX.DB snake: That contract wasn't even looked over by lawyers or anything yet.
VTX.DB snake: So I insist
VTX.DB snake: get
VTX.DB snake: out
VTX.DB snake: of
VTX.DB snake: my
VTX.DB snake: organisation
vtx.DB Paroxysm: such a good clan leader haha
vtx.DB Paroxysm: what a ******* joke.
VTX.DB snake: Cool story, man.
VTX.DB snake: I couldn't care less about RTS'.
VTX.DB snake: I'm 100% more engaged with FPS.
VTX.DB snake: So if you want to bitch
VTX.DB snake: take it somewhere else.
vtx.DB Paroxysm: the fact that you waste a group of peoples time with an RTS genre of gaming in a team, with absolutely no care about it at all is embarassing to say the least.


Few minutes later..

VTX.DB snake: Hey, mate. Just to inform you, we'll be cutting back on the RTS divisions.
HuTSEA: LOL
VTX.DB snake: I assume Parox spoke to you.
HuTSEA: Thanks for wasting my time.
VTX.DB snake: No worries.



Can't say I didn't see this coming.. But still funny however.

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deL:

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[syfMiley]

Where's this fella live? I'm gonna bottle a bich.

[NvRossi]

You Tube

You Tube

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Mayo:

LOL

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by TARossi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRT62J80iyI

Man i'm glad I called that guy.

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TAEdgE:

Thanks MiLes

[Satu]

They came into sc2 with absolutely no knowledge of the game or how it works as an esport, and left it because its an RTS game. Im confused at every single decision vortex has made apart from the player choices, so maybe its best that they didn't continue in sc2. The Australian sc2 scene will grow faster without managers who make hasty decisions based off really awful logic.

I feel sorry the players.

Also, we should all thank paroxysm. SC2 in Australia deserves more, and it sounds like that was what he was trying to get for the players, at least.

[dippa]

Originally Posted by TARossi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRT62J80iyI

snake's actually the guy in the purple one piece.

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TAkrunch:

well, he's not, the purple guy is a hero.

[HuT]

Pitchfork time.

[Mayo]

Sorry to see this guys

[Paroxysm]

I wish to express my sincerest apologies to all members of the Vortex team. I have been having troubles with the management of the team and tried to fix these problems in order to get you guys to tournaments and whatnot. Unfortunately I was unable to do so, and as a result.. This kid got mad :/

Paroxysm

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	HuT:	♥
	nirvAnA:
	LOSDoG:	:D ima spank that *****
	deL:	understandable -.-
	Mayo:
	FaDeEvetS:
	Reere:
	iM yang:
	TAriiChard:	<3
	Nemo:	Better trying that sitting and doing nothing
	Fadey:
	TAkrunch:

[[TA]LoSt]

Told you Andrew, called it from the start. :P

Feel bad for all the Vortex members..

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Mayo:

As did I, can we be brothers

[LOSDoG]

this proves a point guys dont jump the gun thinking that things are going to be ace ( :'( ) why the hell is he so sup himself about "FPS".
fps isnt even as good as RTS to prove my point i am going to say when have u seen a televised "FPS" game ever(please....).
this gives a clear direction of never trust ppl who have a good history of "FPS" and not "RTS".

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	Mayo:	I have a history in FPS, are you saying I am un-trustworthy? That's a very board claim you are making mate.
	Dox:	Milkis is that you?
	Synizta:	This hurts my head.
	TAsCarLet:	i played competetive css for 4 years, **** YOU.
	EXCL:	wasnt the point....
	Aiya:	really generalising there.

[TADivinity]

Lol what a joke. This Snake guy seems 12 years old. Probs a good thing you don't have to deal with him anymore.

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	Satu:
	deL:	snake seems like the divinity of vortex

[NvPinder]

Wow, feel very bad for the vortex guys . Hopefully you guys don't have too much trouble finding a new team.

[mOOnGLaDe]

wow that snake guy sounds like a real piece of shit

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	LOSDoG:	dam straight he does :P
	Xenomorph:	The God of SEA has spoken the truth
	Aiya:	smite him for us

[TAminimat]

That sucks . Feel bad for Paro Hut and SenSei. Also LOSDOG, in Australia I'd say that FPS is a bigger eSport.

[mOOnGLaDe]

its a shame too because the RTS side puts in a lot more effort i feel!

[TAminimat]

It will probably change with ACL. The reason the FPS side is bigger is because they have a circuit.

[deL]

To the namechange thread! Tallyho!

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LOSDoG:

[Paroxysm]

Amen to that deL. Will be good to get rid of the name that slightly hindered eSports in Australia... Alternatively - if anyone is looking for a team manager/coordinator/caster etc. You know where I am

[TAXanT]

What a dickhead :/

Good luck to the members finding new teams. Good riddance to that tool I say.

[TargA]

wow that sucks :/

[Imperial]

Lame
asdfgh

[FaDeEvetS]

good thing i already left this! lol

[Snx.FigJig]

Mmm yeah they seemed like they knew nothing about sc2, looking for platinum/diamond players at the start for a sponsored team -.-

[ToR.Arnor]

Really disappointing my good friends "SeiSei" and HuT deserve better, but yeah Vortex are an average team who dont have teams anywhere near the top level of Australia let alone the global scale,

http://www.cybergamer.com.au/organis...Vortex-Gaming/

cybergamer is a really good website to check out before deciding whether to join a gaming organization (AUS/NZ) just to see how strong they actually are

for example

Arch MSI
http://www.cybergamer.com.au/organis...icMSI-Esports/

iM
http://www.cybergamer.com.au/organis...Team-Immunity/

anyway players of your level will not go unsigned for long, keep practicing and wait for the right offer to come to you

[ROOT`iaguz]

Shoulda held out for the jersey's so you'd have something to set on fire later.

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	nirvAnA:	hahaha
	Synizta:
	Dox:
	FrOst:
	Reere:
	Fadey:

[iM yang]

I had heard some very interesting things about snake from Mayo that I relayed to both Sensei and HuT before I declined Vortex to join SQL. This doesn't surprise me at all.

He's a dirty rat and is a disgrace to the gaming world.

[LOSDoG]

if any team is looking for a caster <--- or even as paroxysm even said you know where to find us

[aLtShortizz]

Completely farking stupid.

Sucks for the players, but at least u guys got out before things got worse. Cant imagine the situation once monetary benefits are involved.

PS: If u guys signed a contract, it might be worth taking a look at it again to spot any breach of agreement.

[sRFullstop]

It sucks because there are so many good players who joined in hopes of a good team to join, but in the end they got completely BSed by the team manager...

[Dox]

I really hope this doesn't come across as a "told you so" post, because it's 150% not what I'm trying to say. It's just that... considering the original post advertising for Diamond players, and the links Mayo posted about Snake in other communities, I never would have gone near this with a 10 foot pole.

[juckor]

Haha Vortex gaming is a joke, they have no good teams for any games either, their Halo team is fairly average and have no outstanding achievements whatsoever (I competed amongst them throughout the 2011 Halo Reach season).
Their FPS manager Ryab (Idk what his name is now) is also a joke, he consistently goes around to different sponsors and lies trying to get them to sponsor him (faking achievements and claiming he's amongst the best gamers in Aus).
Dw guys they're nothing.

[Bash]

Gahh, now i have to search through all my "Favourite sporting teams" on Facebook to get rid of them!
It really sucks though guys, your better than those guys anyway, cant wait to see you involved with new teams tearing it up. ^_^

[Stallion]

really sorry to hear that guys

[mGGDaedalus]

What a sneaky snake

[inFeZa]

BL guys Sounds like a nightmare

[x5_Bard]

Wow he sounds like an elitist tool. Best of luck with a new team guys!

[Champi]

fukin disgusting =/

that guys pathetic, he fails at life

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	Synizta:
	Fadey:

[FrOst]

Sad to hear guys. Chin up, I'm sure you'll find another team in no time

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Synizta:

[CZE]

The funniest thing about this all is that when it comes to Australian 'organizations' in FPS (primarily CS 1.6/CSS) they're absolute shambles and never put their money where their mouth is. The only team that I ever worked with that were legitimate to me (albeit for a short time) were SQL. Of course the only other team known for having a good reputation in the FPS scene is Immunity.

Really sad to see people like these plaguing hard-working SC2 players (wouldn't be surprised if they're young kids running these so-called 'organizations' - what person with any decent education uses the term lawyer in Australia?).

Hope you guys bounce back.

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by CZE

The funniest thing about this all is that when it comes to Australian 'organizations' in FPS (primarily CS 1.6/CSS) they're absolute shambles and never put their money where their mouth is. The only team that I ever worked with that were legitimate to me (albeit for a short time) were SQL. Of course the only other team known for having a good reputation in the FPS scene is Immunity.

Really sad to see people like these plaguing hard-working SC2 players (wouldn't be surprised if they're young kids running these so-called 'organizations' - what person with any decent education uses the term lawyer in Australia?).

Hope you guys bounce back.

Archaic has sent FPS players internationally on more than one occasion, and have been amazing with our RTS division and sent our players inter-state for even just small lan competitions.

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ToR.Arnor:

Agreed, Pandan is a legend

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

Archaic has sent FPS players internationally on more than one occasion, and have been amazing with our RTS division and sent our players inter-state for even just small lan competitions.

Exactly, Arch msi have a good rep for being an organisation, it is FPS focused (although word has it this is mostly due to the Global Marketing Manager for MSI having a hard on for FPS) but still looks after their RTS boys, they had a LoL team they paid to go to WCG sydney (which has since disbanded due to problems within the team) the 1st event they played in they these new SoundBlaster headsets waiting for them and the manager of Arch MSI actually came down to support them! Not to mention sending Deth of the CH Lan (which the manager again came down to show his support), Voices to the SA WCG Qual and I believe is sending Voices, Pinder and Deth (maybe even Rossi?) to the upcoming Arena LAN!

[Mayo]

Originally Posted by CZE

The funniest thing about this all is that when it comes to Australian 'organizations' in FPS (primarily CS 1.6/CSS) they're absolute shambles and never put their money where their mouth is. The only team that I ever worked with that were legitimate to me (albeit for a short time) were SQL. Of course the only other team known for having a good reputation in the FPS scene is Immunity.

Really sad to see people like these plaguing hard-working SC2 players (wouldn't be surprised if they're young kids running these so-called 'organizations' - what person with any decent education uses the term lawyer in Australia?).

Hope you guys bounce back.

You cant blanket all 'fps' organisations just by the few horrible ones.

There are a few respectable organisations out there that cover multi-gaming, not many though.
Archaic
Immunity
Team MEKA.Tt
Sequential

All the above orgs started and are/were mainly focused on FPS (they are all branching into RTS too), all of these orgs have sent people overseas. (iM = 1,6 team to everywhere! Arch = CSS team to Euro. SQL = 1.6 teams to other SEA places. MEKA.Tt = DoTA team to Pan asia WCG, CSS to Aus (from nz) and Guitar hero to LA)

[CZE]

Apologies, yeah I knew I forgot someone. My original point is still relevant, there are few teams that can stand up to the aforementioned in terms of legitimacy/providing adequately for top players.

[krycek]

wow.... just wow wasting all those players time and he just .. shrugs it off o.o

[simon]

vintage...15 year old with his mums credit card trying to run a multi gaming organisation.


i spoke to a few people in the 1.6 community after seeing this thread and lets just say they had NOTHING good to say about him at all.


p.s how does a retard like this get V energy as a sponsor?

[Fourby]

Originally Posted by simon

vintage...15 year old with his mums credit card trying to run a multi gaming organisation.


i spoke to a few people in the 1.6 community after seeing this thread and lets just say they had NOTHING good to say about him at all.


p.s how does a retard like this get V energy as a sponsor?

alot of 15 year olds buy V before going to year 9 classes

[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by Fourby

alot of 15 year olds buy V before going to year 9 classes

My mate knows what he is talking about.

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by EdgE

My mate knows what he is talking about.

Your mate, I see how it is.























(I want all my mates back ._. I miss you all and I wish we never fought)

[simon]

i obviously realise the merit of sponsoring teams but specifically this window licking mouth breather has me stumped -_-

[Fourby]

breathing mouths?? lol

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Fourby

breathing mouths?? lol

Haha I got called that on ladder when I went blink stalker, means a dumb person basically.

[Doctor]

Cheer up guys , there are good ppl and bad ppl in this world , i bet you will find a better team in the coming times..

CHeers.

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nirvAnA:

[TAriiChard]

SO..... V = 15 year olds? =)

[Paroxysm]

Originally Posted by TAriiChard

SO..... V = 15 year olds? =)

V = Virgin (?). From this, we can conclude that most 15 year old CS:S players are virgins using stereotyping, which means V and 15 year old's just happen to click. I could be wrong, but either way, this guy (snake) is still a douche.

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

V = Virgin (?). From this, we can conclude that most 15 year old CS:S players are virgins using stereotyping, which means V and 15 year old's just happen to click. I could be wrong, but either way, this guy (snake) is still a douche.

Is that me like a few years ago

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TAriiChard:

if only i met you a few years ago

[TAkrunch]

ahh riichard, nothing but 15 year olds will attract your attention these days

[FvRelimzkE]

I played with and against Snake in both CS:S and Quake, and he's just one of those FPS players that thinks there is nothing more to eSports than CS.

I'm sorry I didn't see that Snake was the manager earlier, I could have warned everyone -.-

Still, super sad to see very promising players waste their time like that, and I hope other prestigious clans will open their arms to you all. Good luck!

[Eddie]

Sorry to hear guys. As a team you had a lot of potential, and would have loved to see you traveling to lan tournaments. I'm sure you'll get picked up by someone else in the future!

It's a bigger loss for Vortex than you guys. They don't know what they could of had and built on.

Probably best it happened so early.

[DeNile]

This Is dissapointing I hear, particulary that it fell part due to disinterest and neglect. Where there are many causal clans who try harder to look after there players and they have no funding.

[simon]

mayo you guys are basically agreeing. yes he left 1-2 names out that he forgot but his point still stands and yes i think you can lump almost every single "multi-gaming clan" in with what he described as most are a ******* joke. fly by night multi gaming clans far out weigh the good organisations with solid financial backing and acceptable ethics.


and this isnt snakew0w(mike) from css/1.6 its a 15 year old who goes by the name snk/sneak and i have no idea why he is trying to pass himself off as mike. that CG ladder page is also wrong as those 1.6 players are not in the team and from what im told he just uses their names to make the clan look better(for unsuspecting new sc2 teams i suppose) that come along looking for sponsorship


p.s that list of "respectable organisations" only grows by MAYBE 2 if you include teams that are no longer with us

fzero and stensgaming

[Mayo]

This isn't Mike, yeah.
They have both had the name snake for a while.

Mike is perm-banned from most Australian CS:S competitions anyway so he isn't around anymore.

[demzy]

Wow, just wow...

[Dox]

Thanks for reviving a 5 month old thread with that gem of insight.

[demzy]

I'm sorry, I just saw it on the front page/top of section somewhere. My bad, didn't take notice of the date posted. As for snake, I'm pretty sure i was on the receiving end of his management skills back in 2009.

[SLCN.StoicWilly]

aw that sucks T_T hope you guys can find a new team

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	TAminimat:	are you kidding wtf
	Carnifex:	Seriously?
	Satu:	Shame on you for bumping this.

[FaDeBadger]

Is this the necro thread or something?

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Maynarde:

Yep

[Paroxysm]

It may be best for nirvAnA or Baka to close this thread altogether, as nothing useful is being posted, and to be honest, nothing useful can come from this thread anymore.