[AtlasMeCH]

Originally Posted by xGKingBenji

Step 1: Install Command and Conquer Generals: Zero Hour
Step 2: Play any of the following matchups: Nuke vs Tank, AirForce vs Vanilla USA, Airforce vs Super Weapon, Toxin vs Vanilla GLA, Toxin vs Stealth, Airforce vs Nuke, Nuke vs Vanilla China, Infantry vs Everything.
Step 3: Realize the balance in SC2 is actually already pretty amazing

The balance of starcraft itself as a whole could be much better with out losing the uniqueness between the races.

The problem, is that in the classroom of "Philosophy of Design"

It is not being taught that Symmetry is the key for a design foundation of balance.

Uniqueness is achieved through the inversion principle in regards to symmetry.

Symmetry IS balance, with out it there can not be a design that is to be taken seriously on a competitive level.

And with that said, I'm very concerned about the competitive scene which is the heart and soul of starcraft.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by AtlasMeCH

The balance of starcraft itself as a whole could be much better with out losing the uniqueness between the races.

The problem, is that in the classroom of "Philosophy of Design"

It is not being taught that Symmetry is the key for a design foundation of balance.

Uniqueness is achieved through the inversion principle in regards to symmetry.

Symmetry IS balance, with out it there can not be a design that is to be taken seriously on a competitive level.

And with that said, I'm very concerned about the competitive scene which is the heart and soul of starcraft.

You quoted my post but completely ignored what I wrote.

Balance discussions are used in 2 situations, the first is in a scenario like I listed above, where some races have something like an 80% winrate.

The other situation is when you lose a game and you cannot admit that you lost simply because your opponant played better. This makes you feel better, but ultimately slows the ability you can learn, and makes you seem like abit of an idiot.

From my point of view the game is fine. When I picked up players for my team, I wasn't going 'Oh this race has a significant advantage, I better get players from X race'. I got players based on their individual skill.

[AtlasMeCH]

Originally Posted by xGKingBenji

You quoted my post but completely ignored what I wrote.

Balance discussions are used in 2 situations, the first is in a scenario like I listed above, where some races have something like an 80% winrate.

The other situation is when you lose a game and you cannot admit that you lost simply because your opponant played better. This makes you feel better, but ultimately slows the ability you can learn, and makes you seem like abit of an idiot.

From my point of view the game is fine. When I picked up players for my team, I wasn't going 'Oh this race has a significant advantage, I better get players from X race'. I got players based on their individual skill.

Yes, from your point of view... but is your point of view educated?

[Bugalugs McScruffin]

Originally Posted by AtlasMeCH

Yes, from your point of view... but is your point of view educated?

Considering he's a pretty pro caster and has a kick-ass pro team, I would say yes, his point of view is fairly educated in the realm of SC2.

Quick Comments

lolwut:

I would. TBH I think the OP is either a fail troll or a bronze that doesn't want to admit this game is balanced and all races are unique. Making races the same would be. UUGGHHH

[AtlasMeCH]

Originally Posted by Bugalugs McScruffin

Considering he's a pretty pro caster and has a kick-ass pro team, I would say yes, his point of view is fairly educated in the realm of SC2.

Look, I'm asking people, based on a very long journey of analyzing the philospohy of design to keep an open mind that the general balance could actually be very flawed, very poor, and could be much better.

I'm providing a very real consideration which is probably why it is irritating.

Keep an open mind that this game system you have grown attached to over the years may be much further from perfect then you thought.

And realistically speaking, why shouldn't we at least STRIVE for symmetry?

[Satu]

Originally Posted by AtlasMeCH

And realistically speaking, why shouldn't we at least STRIVE for symmetry?

Because symmetry does not have to exist to have the game close to perfectly balanced.

[Bugalugs McScruffin]

Originally Posted by AtlasMeCH

And realistically speaking, why shouldn't we at least STRIVE for symmetry?

Because symmetry is boring. Do we really want just TvT or PvP?

I'd send you over to check out some of David Sirlin's game design articles, but you'd probably just end up trolling there as well.

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by AtlasMeCH

Yes, from your point of view... but is your point of view educated?

Benji:

• Plays at a relatively high (masters) level.
• Commentates at a relatively high level.
• Manages a pro team and interacts with high level players.
• Analyses replays and helps his pro team with strategy.

AtlasMeCH:

• Plays in Platinum on NA (according to the account he created today).
• Can't use proper english.

And the winner is...

Quick Comments

	Bugalugs McScruffin:	Erasmus!!! :)
	nirvAnA:	Yea Atlas you shouldn't have went there!
	Zepph:	<3
	TAsCarLet:	is it atlas?
	lolwut:	Yeh pretty sure it's Atlas. Benji has absolutely no chance there
	Mayo:	Cute +1!
	Zealo:	<3

[Benji]

Originally Posted by AtlasMeCH

Yes, from your point of view... but is your point of view educated?

I am one of, if not THE leading commentator in the region, as well as that I manage and own a professional starcraft 2 team that has some of the most impressive results of any team.

So yes, its educated.

Quick Comments

	TAsCarLet:	edercation
	Nvdeth:	Sorry but you really need to lower your ego a notch or seven. There is so much wrong with your post.
	TAkrunch:	ewwww
	TADivinity:	Hit by "THE" train
	[TA]LoSt:	Xeria results are because they are amazing players, not you. Enough of the 'MY' team bs?
	dippa:	that is completely unnecessary, show some class for god's sake.
	SilentNoodle:	do you do coaching too?
	TACosmic:	Results of players is the most innacurate representation of a managers skill
	StarScream:	Kelly is better caster by a long shot cum diddy
	iM yang:	Don't recruit players with good results and claim the results were even remotely influenced by you
	NvRossi:	my head hit my desk
	TAriiChard:	HOLY SHIT WE'RE GONNA GET BANNED!
	Dox:	Step the **** back SlayerS
	TAEdgE:	if dox reps i rep
	Danny:	sooo arrogant
	TAnom:	;( You made a girl cry because of your arrogance.
	Fourby:	xGKBenjiLight, xGKBenjiMafia, xGKBenjiiaguz, xGKBenjijazbaz, xGKBenjiBenji. ????
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	lol wtf, mayte, get that ego in check. such a benjamin!
	toneg:	Dude, I'm gonna type as sober as possible, you're honestly pathetic.
	NvPinder:	Holy hell... New low big boy. New low.
	Champi:	you have no, and deserve no respect from our community with your misguided and egotistically arrogant attitude
	Mayo:	That's a little disappointing. Chin up and soldier on.
	kellyMILKIES:	Wow
	cRSenSei:	interesting