[divinesage]

Originally Posted by Eldrid

Ling / hydra doom drop off 3 bases hard counters any sort of stargate play what-so-ever.

Edit: more info...

Im trying ling infestor recently and if p goes 1 or even 2 stagate for harrass I defend my 3base with queens / spores if needed into upgraded lings (+1) into about 10-15 hydra and maximum lings. Comes at around 12-13 min off the top of my head, and if they do have a coll out, it's generally only 1, and generally doesn't have range yet so same range as hydras....

Note that dropping this to their main will be much more effective than trying to bash your head against their naturals defences.

Note above timings based off forge fe...

Speaking of the ling/hydra doom drop, or even nydus for that matter, when do you scout for the stargates? The protoss could start pressure on you the moment you have scouted his stargates, all the while producing even more void rays from his stargates.

[rheotron]

Originally Posted by divinesage

Speaking of the ling/hydra doom drop, or even nydus for that matter, when do you scout for the stargates? The protoss could start pressure on you the moment you have scouted his stargates, all the while producing even more void rays from his stargates.

Speaking from experience, you need to get an OL in there early. A good toss will do a zealot wall off which will deny any drone scout. After this, he will aim to get a stalker out to take out any overlord scouts. I don't like to put down my stargate until I see this overlord is dead.

That being said, if you can get another overlord in from another angle (you might have to sacrifice it) after the first overlord is killed, it shouldn't be too difficult to see.

You could also infer from what you have seen. If you see 2 gas, a gateway, a zealot and a stalker and that's all, then chances are he's going for an early stargate push. I'm not exactly sure of the timings, but try and get them in there ASAP.

The thing about this stargate build is it's very easily counterable with a few queens and spore crawlers. If his first void dies, he's very far behind because you've probably expanded already and all the minerals and gas gone into building the stargate and the void are sunk. From that point, if you go mutas and expand and harass his mineral line/deny expos, you should have it.